Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

solarz

Brigadier
Agreed with @solarz. Any vaccine that made it past Phase III trials is good enough. If you need to vaccinate, then do it with what is available. Those deaths that are reported, are extremely rare cases and definitely over sensationalized. RT is definitely targeting that information at Western audiences. To make them doubt their governments. The Russian media is playing its role in this big messy information war.

P.S. Just make sure to stay away from Bharat Biotech's Covaxin. That's a big no no.

LOL, just stay away from any Indian vaccine, period. The "AstraZeneca" vaccines we have here in Canada are actually made in India.

On another note, did you guys notice two big red flags on that video thumbnail?

1. It says "source: AstraZeneca".
2. Why is it listing only France and Germany? Could it be those are the only two countries where the data shows AZ in a better light? Classic case of cherry picking.
 

Volpler11

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Registered Member
Haven't read the whole thread so it might have been bought up before. I will post here since this forum seem to be more rational then somewhere like reddit.

Been thinking about the wuhan lab theory and something is bothering me. For sake of argument, assuming it is true that the virus did leak from the lab but was from a natural source, aka the "lab leak doesn't mean man made" argument. That means the bat they got it from must already got the virus in covid form. That leads to the following observations:

1. There is a cave full of bats with sars-cov2 out there somewhere. It should be easy to find based on the past travel history of the researchers. It could be used to create a cover up story about how the virus was original from there. Also the government should really eliminate those bats to prevent covid spread.

2. The virus must already have contact with intermediary that lead it to mutate to a form that can be spread to human, meaning there are other animal out where at the location that can spread covid. They should be eliminated too.

3. The place must be somewhat to human, in order for the researcher to be able to find it. That means there are even more risk of someone accidentally come in contact with it. That means potential for covid outbreak at any moment, In fact, there would be more that one path in the original spread. Also even more reason to really lock the place down, in case someone accidentally bump into some bat and get a new variant.

I just haven't seen those points being discussed when the wuhan lab spread theory being bought up.
 

Sardaukar20

Captain
Registered Member
LOL, just stay away from any Indian vaccine, period. The "AstraZeneca" vaccines we have here in Canada are actually made in India.

On another note, did you guys notice two big red flags on that video thumbnail?

1. It says "source: AstraZeneca".
2. Why is it listing only France and Germany? Could it be those are the only two countries where the data shows AZ in a better light? Classic case of cherry picking.
LOL. I too wanna stay away from Astra Zeneca that are made in India. I really do.

Problem now is that AZ is produced in multiple countries. I saw those AZ boxes and I can't tell whether they were made in India, or South Korea, or Belgium. Its getting quite opaque now. So when I argue to stay away from suspected Indian AZ. I don't have any solid proof.

There is intense peer pressure around me now in Malaysia to get injected with AZ. Which is available as an individual choice now. Because the Malaysian govt royally screwed up their vaccine deals with Pfizer and Sinovac. There is shortage of both of those vaccines now. Only AZ vaccines are coming in relatively smoothly from the Covax program. I don't exactly know why AZ can come in faster than others. There were rumours that those AZ batches were rejected elsewhere, placed in the Covax program, and then Malaysia receives them. I'm still on the waiting list to get either the Pfizer or Sinovac vaccine. I do hope that things don't get too desperate until I have no choice but to go for AZ.

Yes I do believe that whoever is reporting on the AZ vs Pfizer death rates is definitely cherry picking. And the Russian media is only too happy to report about it.
 
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4Runner

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Haven't read the whole thread so it might have been bought up before. I will post here since this forum seem to be more rational then somewhere like reddit.

Been thinking about the wuhan lab theory and something is bothering me. For sake of argument, assuming it is true that the virus did leak from the lab but was from a natural source, aka the "lab leak doesn't mean man made" argument. That means the bat they got it from must already got the virus in covid form. That leads to the following observations:

1. There is a cave full of bats with sars-cov2 out there somewhere. It should be easy to find based on the past travel history of the researchers. It could be used to create a cover up story about how the virus was original from there. Also the government should really eliminate those bats to prevent covid spread.

2. The virus must already have contact with intermediary that lead it to mutate to a form that can be spread to human, meaning there are other animal out where at the location that can spread covid. They should be eliminated too.

3. The place must be somewhat to human, in order for the researcher to be able to find it. That means there are even more risk of someone accidentally come in contact with it. That means potential for covid outbreak at any moment, In fact, there would be more that one path in the original spread. Also even more reason to really lock the place down, in case someone accidentally bump into some bat and get a new variant.

I just haven't seen those points being discussed when the wuhan lab spread theory being bought up.
You are muddling the water here. A Siberian tiger can show up in any town in northeast China. So far things on this subject is all which hunting. One side effect is increased racism against ethnic Chinese everywhere. Science will eventually determine the origin(s) of Covid-19. And you just take a deep breath and spend your time in more meaningful ways.
 

Quickie

Colonel

Take note of the bolded part in the last paragraph. I think no other of the available COVID-19 vaccines (in or outside China) has made the claim, for which I take that the "other vaccines" are meant to say the more common vaccines that are in use today.

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China reports adverse reaction rate of 11.86 out of 100,000 COVID-19 vaccine doses​

Source: Xinhua| 2021-05-28 20:33:12|Editor: huaxia

BEIJING, May 28 (Xinhua) -- The incidence of adverse reactions to COVID-19 vaccines in China is 11.86 out of 100,000 doses, the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (China CDC) said on Friday.
A total of 31,434 cases of adverse reactions were reported from Dec. 15, 2020 to April 30 this year when 265 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered across the Chinese mainland, said China CDC.
The incidence of severe adverse reactions is 0.07 out of 100,000 doses, which means severe reactions are very rare, said the agency.
The incidence of adverse reactions to COVID-19 vaccines is lower than the average incidence of adverse reactions to other vaccines reported in 2019, it added. Enditem
 

spring2017

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The anglos are mere years away from french revolution style guillotine racks, especially now that China won't be accepting their inflation.

A racial holy war is their final throw of the dice to maintain power.

Very true.

Internal revolutions may indeed break out in capitalist powers, given the ever-widening class divide there. And a racial war is the ruling class last straw to diverse the class war against itself to maintain power.

That's why we should not fall for their trick of fanning racial hatred. Instead we need to stand in solidarity with white and colored masses in those countries against their own oppressors and exploiters.

A class war against the white ruling class by white and colored masses in the heartland of capitalist powers is the best way to liberate the oppressed masses (white and colored) there and world wide.

With their white imperialist masters consumed by the threats of internal revolutions, local yellow and brown ruling elites will not last long either, including those in Taiwan.
 
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