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supersnoop

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voyager1 said:
India was handed a silver platter by the British. They didn't have to fight for freedom, didn't have to sacrifice, make hard choices, "adapt or die" whereas China literally had its own "adapt or die" moment after it got steamrolled by the Western Nations

It was either change or just watch as the country was sinking under invasions. Mao came in and fought off the Japanese. Started the nuclear program and got to fight the US superpower for Chinese interests

China was forged from steel and was injured many times but eventually, like a phoenix, it was born again from its ashes, stronger than ever before.

Where in India's history did Indians had to work really hard to advance and save their country?..
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Off-topic, but I must point this out... but you are overlooking the most significant threat to China during Mao's time, it was not the United States, it was the Soviet Union. The USSR was ready to nuke China if they lost footing in the border conflict. Furthermore, the break with the Soviet Union was a huge setback economically as basically for 20 years (50's to 70's) there was no access to modern technology until the establishment of diplomatic relations with the USA. The situation was so dire that the operation to recover a then-new disabled T-62 tank was a matter of national importance. IMO, the Sino-Soviet split was probably the biggest contributor to the push for self-reliance we see today. If you look at other Soviet client states, (India, NK, Cuba, for a while Vietnam), many were or are still stagnant even now after the fall.
 
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"Even though inspectors found poor conditions at the plant, top executives were awarded hundreds of thousands of dollars in bonuses last year and were praised by the company's board for their leadership, according to other documents released by the committee."

Down with the See See Pee...I mean down with the oligarchic system they call democracy in America.
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Can you imagine if this was a Chinese factory? The western media would pounce on the story, making greed, and poor hygiene sound like exclusively Chinese cultural traits.
 
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supersnoop said:
Can you imagine if this was a Chinese factory? The western media would pounce on the story, making greed, and poor hygiene sound like exclusively Chinese cultural traits.
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supersnoop said:
Off-topic, but I must point this out... but you are overlooking the most significant threat to China during Mao's time, it was not the United States, it was the Soviet Union. The USSR was ready to nuke China if they lost footing in the border conflict. Furthermore, the break with the Soviet Union was a huge setback economically as basically for 20 years (50's to 70's) there was no access to modern technology until the establishment of diplomatic relations with the USA. The situation was so dire that the operation to recover a then-new disabled T-62 tank was a matter of national importance. IMO, the Sino-Soviet split was probably the biggest contributor to the push for self-reliance we see today. If you look at other Soviet client states, (India, NK, Cuba, for a while Vietnam), many were or are still stagnant even now after the fall.
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More like it will blame the entire CPC apparatus along with blaming the cult of personality around Xi Jinping as the primary culprits because as you know, the U.S. cares about the Chinese people but not the evil government. Every failure is seen as an opportunity for the U.S. interests to upend the governing system of the country to create mayhem; an organized chaos for them to swoop in their favorite replacement(s) to control the country to do their bidding.
 
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gelgoog

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supersnoop said:
Off-topic, but I must point this out... but you are overlooking the most significant threat to China during Mao's time, it was not the United States, it was the Soviet Union. The USSR was ready to nuke China if they lost footing in the border conflict. Furthermore, the break with the Soviet Union was a huge setback economically as basically for 20 years (50's to 70's) there was no access to modern technology until the establishment of diplomatic relations with the USA. The situation was so dire that the operation to recover a then-new disabled T-62 tank was a matter of national importance. IMO, the Sino-Soviet split was probably the biggest contributor to the push for self-reliance we see today. If you look at other Soviet client states, (India, NK, Cuba, for a while Vietnam), many were or are still stagnant even now after the fall.
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Yes. But the Soviet Union also gave China massive support. They sent advisors and gave equipment from top to bottom. The fact is, China got their nuclear bomb with help from the USSR, and even their launcher program, got a head start with technical assistance from the USSR like getting the technical specifications and copies of the R-1 rocket. The Tu-16 was also transferred. Stalin gave Manchuria back to Mao, when it was firmly in Soviet control then. He even gave back territory which used to be part of the Russian Empire at one point. I could continue with more examples like this.

I think China is probably the country which got the most technical assistance from the USSR. None of the other countries, even those in the Warsaw Pact, got assistance as pervasive as China did. To a large degree they did use this assistance, otherwise how could a formerly ruined country build tanks and fighter jets so quickly, but a lot of it was wasted or ignored.

North Korea and Cuba had vibrant economies for the first two decades. But once the Soviets pulled some of the support out they started to collapse. Both countries are simply not large enough to have a proper self-reliant internal economy while the Soviet Union and China could. India was always a basket case I think.

Even as late as 1962 the Soviet Union refused to supply nuclear weapons to India against China when they were having the Indo-China war.
 
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