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Sardaukar20

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Blame it to Vietnam's history, particularly north Vietnam. Vietnam, from the beginning of their historical records is a product of Chinese (Han) influence. When Qin Shi Huang united China, 2200 years ago, he had the concept to unify the whole world under heaven. So military expeditions were sent to southern China (Guangdong, Guangxi regions today) and they were annexed. But After Qin dynasty collapsed, these military leaders who conquered South China, established their
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(NanYue or Nam Viet in Vietnam) with
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as the first king, adopted the southern China culture (short hair, rice based food etc). So inevitably, these military conquests and consolidations were further extended to what is northern Vietnam today. So is the Chinese culture and influence extended to these lands. Zhao Tuo is still even remembered today as a folk hero in Vietnam.

Succeeding Han dynasty reminded the ruling class that they are still Han Chinese and secured a vassal status to the Han court. It was even recorded that Zhao Tuo was reprimanded by
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. Here is a vivid description from wikipedia, which is probably translated from Book of Han

In 196 BC, the Emperor Gaozu of Han sent the scholar
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to the court of Zhao Tuo.
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On this occasion, Zhao Tuo squatted and wore his hair in a bun, in the Yuè manner.
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"You are a Chinese and your forefathers and kin lie buried in Zhending in the land of Zhao", Lu told the king.
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"Yet now you turn against that nature which heaven has given you at birth, cast aside the dress of your native land and, with this tiny, far-off land of Yue, think to set yourself up as a rival to the
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and an enemy state....It is proper under such circumstances that you should advance as far as the suburbs to greet me and bow to the north and refer to yourself as a 'subject'."
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After Lu threatened a Han military attack on Nanyue, Zhao Tuo stood up and apologized.


However, after Zhao Tuo died and suceeding Nanyue kings, peace cannot last, they executed that last Han Queen dowager and declared war to Han China. And this is when the Vietnam hatred to China started. Han was no choice but to destroy Nanyue, and subsequently the last Nanyue king was executed and their beloved
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was beheaded. This became the first
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.

2100 years later this animosity still existed.
Agreed. This history of animosity between Vietnam and China goes back thousands of years. It was only temporarily put on hold during the French & American-phase of the Vietnam War. Vietnam cannot be viewed as a 'communist' brother wrt to its relations to China. Vietnam's behavior have to be viewed through the lens of other East Asian 'non-friendlies' like South Korea.

Vietnam essentially behaves like the other East Asian countries and 'rebel provinces' around China (maybe except North Korea, but I guess NK will behave the same if they are no longer isolated). Vietnam, South Korea, Japan, HK and Taiwan all have origins and cutural links that goes back to ancient China. But because of the need to assert their identity away from China, they used nationalism and Sinophobia to achieve it. For over a century, China was no longer the most important and influential country in East Asia. Now that China is coming back, there is a fear among them that China will come back and dominate East Asia.

Vietnam will not become China's friend anytime soon. Vietnam behaves very Machiavellian-like in geopolitics. It'll use even America, the country that butchered Vietnam like no other, to achieve its goals against China. That's why I don't believe in the so called 'communist brothers'. Geopolitics always comes ahead of ideologies. History has always proved that correct.

Vietnam is a country that China cannot trust. Though Vietnam knows how to manage China well. It uses the Japan playbook recently. Vietnam avoids using antagonistic rethoric against China so that China may not target Vietnam for any trade punishment. And the gravy train of trade from China continues to grow its economy. But Vietnam is quietly doing things that are hostile against China; like Japan. It would be interesting to see what Vietnam would do if and when it obtains the economic power of South Korea. It may be more assertive, but I doubt war could happen. China is way too powerful to confront. And Vietnam is nowhere near as stupid as India.

Now on to the Vietnam vaccine story. We know very well that Vietnam is not and should not be using any Chinese vaccines. But Vietnam likes Sputnik V though. Let's see when China starts exporting licensed-produced Sputnik V. Would Vietnam still accept Sputnik V then?
 
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tresriogrande

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Pifzer and Moderna are both MRNA and have the best protection against COVID19 but I would advise Pifzer because people seem to experience harsher side effects from Moderna. AZ and J&J are derived from adenovirus and have similar effectiveness and blood clotting risks but if you want to get J&J because it requires one injection then you might as well get a single AZ and be done with it sooner.
Again, that's not true. All the vaccines haven't done phase 3 together, the numbers are not comparable, there is no evidence to say which one is better.
 

voyager1

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Agreed. This history of animosity between Vietnam and China goes back thousands of years. It was only temporarily put on hold during the French & American-phase of the Vietnam War. Vietnam cannot be viewed as a 'communist' brother wrt to its relations to China. Vietnam's behavior have to be viewed through the lens of other East Asian 'non-friendlies' like South Korea.

Vietnam essentially behaves like the other East Asian countries and 'rebel provinces' around China (maybe except North Korea, but I guess NK will behave the same if they are no longer isolated). Vietnam, South Korea, Japan, HK and Taiwan all have origins and cutural links that goes back to ancient China. But because of the need to assert their identity away from China, they used nationalism and Sinophobia to achieve it. For over a century, China was no longer the most important and influential country in East Asia. Now that China is coming back, there is a fear among them that China will come back and dominate East Asia.

Vietnam will not become China's friend anytime soon. Vietnam behaves very Machiavellian-like in geopolitics. It'll use even America, the country that butchered Vietnam like no other, to achieve its goals against China. That's why I don't believe in the so called 'communist brothers'. Geopolitics always comes ahead of ideologies. History has always proved that correct.

Vietnam is a country that China cannot trust. Though Vietnam knows how to manage China well. It uses the Japan playbook recently. Vietnam avoids using antagonistic rethoric against China so that China may not target Vietnam for any trade punishment. And the gravy train of trade from China continues to grow its economy. But Vietnam is quietly doing things that are hostile against China; like Japan. It would be interesting to see what Vietnam would do if and when it obtains the economic power of South Korea. It may be more assertive, but I doubt war could happen. China is way too powerful to confront. And Vietnam is nowhere near as stupid as India.

Now on to the Vietnam vaccine story. We know very well that Vietnam is not and should not be using any Chinese vaccines. But Vietnam likes Sputnik V though. Let's see when China starts exporting licensed-produced Sputnik V. Would Vietnam still accept Sputnik V then?
Vietnam is a snake. Not on Japan scale, but I would say much worse than S.Korea
 

Sardaukar20

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The bodies keep coming down the Ganges. Now bodies are being buried by the hundreds by the banks of the Ganges. Highly certain that these are not counted into India's Covid-19 death tally. They are literally burying the truth. And the Indian government is all too happy to keep it buried.

As the bodies continue to float down the Ganges. The poor fishermen are still fishing in the same waters! Fishing in the extremely polluted Ganges is already a bad idea to begin with. Now they'll have Covid-19 ridden corpses to add into their misery. But I guess these fishermen had no other choice, their lives are already so desperate as it is. Any competent government would not have allowed people to fish in those waters. These fishermen should be shown other cleaner fishing grounds, or given other opportunities to make a living. But we know how the Indian government works.

So much for having the ability to vote your government and free speech. Look at India now in 2021.
 

Sardaukar20

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India can't even get vaccines right for their cows. Vaccines for foot & mouth disease for cows have been found to be faulty. If India is capable of screwing up livestock vaccination, this doesn't bode well for their Covid-19 vaccines. Cows are more sacred than people for this BJP government, how could this be allowed to happen?
 

KYli

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Do we really need a 4th inactivated vaccine at this point? I'm surprised other countries would want to participate in additional trials for chinese inactivated vaccines when there is already sinopharm or sinovac. I think all efforts should focus on stermina and walvax mrna vaccines now.
China still has multiple inactivated vaccines and subunit vaccines that are on going. This particular one probably is more promising so an early approval was granted.
 

voyager1

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China still has multiple inactivated vaccines and subunit vaccines that are on going. This particular one probably is more promising so an early approval was granted.
Btw do you know the status for the Chinese vaccines which are under development or in Phase trials?

E.g Fosun - Phase 3 trials, production to start on xx/xx/xxxx
 

Taiwan closes cinemas, libraries as local infections rise to 180​

  • Taipei and New Taipei City move to alert level three, which restricts the size of gatherings to five people indoors and 10 outdoors
  • Wearing of face masks now mandatory for all when outdoors


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Of the 180 local cases, 89 were in Taipei, 75 in New Taipei, six in Changhua, four each in Yilan and Taoyuan, and one each in Taichung and Keelung.

Not looking good for Taiwan.
IN addition, I think there is a hospital cluster,

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One of the new clusters involved five people – four employees and a regular customer of the Galaxy Baccarat amusement arcade in Yilan county, according to the Central Epidemic Command Centre.
The other new “cluster” involved a member of the Lions Club in New Taipei City, the centre said.


The source of infections were not known.

In addition, the centre reported another case linked to the China Airlines and Novotel airport hotel cluster.
 
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nugroho

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This is a technical question; it can stay for weeks but how many weeks? my doctor's advise is between 2 to 3 weeks while ansy1968's advise is 4 weeks. Can we conclude that it is OK between 2 to 4 weeks?
best if 4 weeks, 2-4 weeks only used in emergency situation, In indonesia first, goverment urge 2 weeks, but i , myself lenghten it to 25 days, my antibody titer is very high ( hope higher is more protective ), now Indonesia government change it to 4 weeks. I did it after reading Butantan result. Indonesia maybe the second user of Sinovac now, the vaccine is very protective, we dont hear any medical staff die again. You can read what our minister said back few pages in this thread
 
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