Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[SpicySichuan]

They basically already have been vindicated when China's top court criticized their punishment. Other respected members leading the charge against the epidemic have also made similar statements.

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(Ignore the bad title and content of the article; Dr Li despite everything was not actually a "whistleblower")

Good news!

 

[Blitzo]

Good news!

Maybe do some reading around this topic first...

 

[ougoah]

Seeing as you're asking -- for certain threads a degree of exception have been made in the past, e.g.: for the HK protest thread and is decided on a case by case basis depending on the specific topic.
For this particular thread topic, a certain level of political discussion will be allowed as it directly relates to the handling of the current epidemic, but I expect things to remain civil.

For sure. I've my own thoughts about how this whole thing has been handled, relating to politics and the CCP but those thoughts are going to spread with R0 >10 lol ... for each opinion of mine, it will encourage responses and the whole discussion is going to go downhill. As it sort of is happening with off-topic political comments. Shouldn't there be a separate thread for that? Every day this page adds about 10 pages of what you'd think would be news and developments but mostly political back and forth between people holding different personal opinions that matter eff all... inaccurate and simplistic at best too.

 

[Blitzo]

I wouldn't argue it is freedom of speech itself that led to the downfall of the USSR. It was the inability of the Soviet bureaucracy to respond to the crisis in the timely manner, along with multi-layered cover-ups of the reactor's design flaws, that cause the CPSU to lose its credibility. One of the worst bi-products of the Soviet nomenklatura is that officials at all levels are concerned only with promotions, and the easiest way to achieve promotion were usually through falsifying datas relating to much task one has accomplished. China has had the same issue, but CCP officials do get punished when they are caught, unlike the Soviets. There are still some levels of checks and balance within the CCP system (along with Weibo and WeChat). That's why China has not collapsed. Absolute power corrupts absolutely!

Ughh the stench of Western brainwashing can be smelled over the computer. Wechat and Weibo is a check on the CCP? You know the CCP can shut that shit down on national security concerns in a 2 hour meeting if they wanted to, right?

Well, how does the CCP compels competence then? "Internal" investigations?

Okay, both of you are getting close to the line in regards to limits for political discussions in this thread.

Josh, you in particular are making vast proclamatory statements about the nature of legitimacy and power and the USSR and China and different political systems which will inevitably cause people to respond and in turn cause threads to veer off topic.

Consider this an official warning to temper your posts a little bit. Otherwise I'm going to start deleting posts.

In other words -- STOP this current line of discussion that both of you are going down. Further posts on this path in the immediate future will be deleted.

 

[solarz]

I think the Chinese government handled this epidemic admirably. If anything, they erred on the side of caution by locking down Wuhan so quickly.

It's always easy to criticize with hindsight, but the decision makers did not have the luxury of knowing the future.

In the early days of the epidemic, and even now really, there was a deluge of rumors on the Chinese internet. I remember spending an entire Saturday on Jan 25th sifting facts from fiction on WeChat. Many of my neighbors were unwittingly posting falsehoods on their moments or in our local discussion groups. People who are scared tend to lose their critical thinking.

One of the things I appreciate in this forum is that fake news get shredded pretty quickly. I've been able to get some pretty valuable information from this thread.

Please, let us not clutter this thread with meaningless political discussions!

 

[shanlung]

What we all witnessing now is the first phase. The starting point of 2019 new corona virus in Wuhan and China.
And we seen the response made in quarantining and incredible speed of organising and building hospitals and facilities in holding and treatment.
And may in time, hold and halt this virus totally in China.
We also see the mocking and laughters and demonising of China's efforts , despicable cartoons in guise of free speech to laugh and the taking advantage of this to further rub the face of China in the mud.

BUT

The next phase is inevitable. Not that I wish for that to happen, but happen that will be.

That virus is now already in many countries and with the fore warnings given by China. Despit the warnings, are those countries capable and able and have the dedicated expertise shown by China in containing and holding and treating this virus? Can USA, or any other country , build hospitals from bare fields and equipt that in a matter of days?

Perhaps so, but sadly, not to the extent demonstrated by China.

In the days and weeks to come, that virus will be spreading and spreading in USA, in Denmark, in Europe , in Africa , India and Australia.
Chinese and China and all decent folks will sorrow and pray for them and help them best they can in USA, Denmark and others .
And maybe, hopefully, the insults and savage mockery they shown to China will stop as they all desperately trying not to be sick and die themselves.

Chinese and China and all decent folks will not be mocking and laughing and taking advantage or insulting them the way USA, Denmark and others had done and still doing to China in the initial crisis.


We will wait , and see.

Phase 2 is just starting.

For all it is worth.
WHO warns overseas virus spread may be 'tip of the iceberg'
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[solarz]

One more thing: let's not forget that the lock down happened just before Chinese New Year. Those who left before were leaving to return home to spend New Year with their families.

It's easy for people to say now that the authorities should have locked down Wuhan earlier, but you don't make the decision to prevent millions of people from seeing their families lightly. If the authorities ordered a lock down and it had turned out that the virus wasn't a big deal, the authorities would have been heavily attacked for "tyrannical abuse of power and violation of human rights".

 

[Jura The idiot]

Yesterday at 6:45 PM

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a/(exp(-k*(DAY - xc))*(d - 1) + 1)^(1/(d - 1))

(coefficient values are in Today at 1:30 PM graph)

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23th day = Feb10: 39842 extrapolated from the fit
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and it's more: 40614

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shown as the blue filled circle (obviously not included in the yesterday's fit)

 

[Jura The idiot]

Yesterday at 9:29 AM

it's 10^(-0.00337*(DAY)^2+0.18372*DAY+2.16733) with DAY from 11 to 28
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Feb10 40753 from the fit
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gosh the crude parabola guessed again:

 

[localizer]

currently, when returning to work, many places require face masks and temperature screening of all employees as dictated by local government