Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[Nobonita Barua]

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What's your next citation? You will post link from p--nhub to show how "opened" americans are?

 

[canniBUS]

That's why we see people like Jack Ma and associates getting heat in China right now. He was pushing this idea of 996, 9am to 9pm 6 days a week of work onto young adults, which got lots of backlash. Then there was the whole issue with him advocating for total financial deregulation in China and criticizing the government for regulating financial markets which brought along government backlash. People later realized that the highly leveraged model he was proposing would create an immense debt bubble much like the subprime mortgage crisis in the US and push consumers into debt. It's not just him, he is a front man for many interest groups in the background which includes a lot of international capital. China is also a country with plenty of interest groups, each vying for their vision of the future.

Good news he's being dealt with, hope there is more in the future.

 

[manqiangrexue]

I'm not a troll and I never said I was. Stop lying.

A wumao is a type of troll and you said that you were a wumao on other sites, right? Selective memory?

On top of that, you don't need to say you're a troll to be a troll. You're a troll because you go on Chinese sites to argue anti-China views and you supposedly go on American sites to argue anti-American views. That's a troll.

I said I try to present the other side's perspective sometimes to bridge the gap between the US and China.

There is no bridging the gap between 2 countries that both want to be supreme. Two fighters both want the championship belt; how do you bridge the gap? Cut it in half?

I never said China should roll over, I said that good relations are in China's interest which they are. It's about being strategic and smart in pursuing your goals, not giving them up.

You don't roll over the the US, you don't get better relations. You can't even get better relations with me on this forum and you think you can coach countries on diplomacy? LOL You might think your sentence has content but it's meaningless. It's like saying, "I never said you should steal; I said you should get the stuff and also keep your money."

In my experience Americans are nice people, and as a Chinese Americans what should I say? That Americans are hateful?

Yeah, half of them voted Trump.

Of course not.

Cus you lack the ability to analyze.

I never propagated anything false about the Xinjiang camps, there's a lot of evidence China is doing collective punishment there, you can't deny it.

I deny it right now. All the "evidence" is garbage. They show you a satellite image of a building and say it's an internment camp. They hired a random stooge to say she was raped in a camp and escaped and you believe it. I believe China, and China says it's all BS. You literally just propagated it just now. How stupid are you? If you hadn't written this, I would at least have to search for the evidence for when you last did.

Also I said I think China needs to find the real source of Covid because otherwise conspiracy theories will develop, and also that we don't know yet how it started.

It's not China's responsibility. If people make conspiracy theories, we throw them back. They say Wuhan BSL4, we say Detrick. China doesn't owe anybody anything; if anybody wants to find the origin, they can look within the boundaries of their country. If they can't prove it didn't start there, then that's probably where it started. This nastiness is the only thing people deserve when they criticize China of anything COVID related.

None of this means I wish ill of China. I am a huge supporter of China, I just think it's interests lie in a different direction than some of the things that have been happening. But it is doing a lot of the right things, too. Like I said, I focus on criticism so China can improve. For the things it is already doing well, then by all means keep doing it.

No no no, we eject you from the team. Application denied, excuse rejected. Hanjian status remains for you.

 

[Mt1701d]

I never said China should roll over, I said that good relations are in China's interest which they are. It's about being strategic and smart in pursuing your goals, not giving them up.

The problem is that while you believe it’s in China’s interest to have good relationships... the other side namely the US government is intent on the Chinese rolling over... it seems you simply don’t look at what actions are being taken by the other side and simply look at the Chinese criticise their actions or reactions... the question is what if the west wants China to roll over in order to get the ‘better relationship’ then what?

In my experience Americans are nice people, and as a Chinese Americans what should I say? That Americans are hateful? Of course not.

Individually there are good people in any country but we are not talking individuals, we are talking about government... with agendas and ulterior motives therefore your personal experience is irrelevant...

I never propagated anything false about the Xinjiang camps, there's a lot of evidence China is doing collective punishment there, you can't deny it.

The ‘evidence’ that has ever been presented has been circumstantial or lies of omission at best or false representations or out right lies at worst...

I am a huge supporter of China, I just think it's interests lie in a different direction than some of the things that have been happening. But it is doing a lot of the right things, too. Like I said, I focus on criticism so China can improve. For the things it is already doing well, then by all means keep doing it.

If you are truly thinking of China’s best interest then perhaps you can review the actions by other countries along side the actions/reactions of China instead of just a one-sided criticism using one-sided opinions or ‘evidence’... in the majority of your posts your hardly ever consider the view point or the situation of the Chinese instead always only consider what the other countries supposedly want... and if China simply and always does what the other countries wants it to do without considering or defending its interests.... that’s call rolling over...

 

[Gatekeeper]

New York time singing a different tune to others?

China Scores a Public Relations Win After W.H.O. Mission to Wuhan

Experts with the global health agency endorsed critical parts of Beijing’s narrative, even some parts that independent scientists question.

Credit...Ng Han Guan/Associated Press

By Javier C. Hernández

Published Feb. 9, 2021Updated Feb. 12, 2021

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For months, China resisted allowing World Health Organization experts into the country to trace the origins of the global pandemic, concerned that such an inquiry could draw attention to the government’s early missteps in handling the outbreak.

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[gadgetcool5]

If you are truly thinking of China’s best interest then perhaps you can review the actions by other countries along side the actions/reactions of China instead of just a one-sided criticism using one-sided opinions or ‘evidence’... in the majority of your posts your hardly ever consider the view point or the situation of the Chinese instead always only consider what the other countries supposedly want... and if China simply and always does what the other countries wants it to do without considering or defending its interests.... that’s call rolling over...

We all disagree with the actions of other countries. I'm against all the anti-China moves by the US and India. Happy now? There's no point in repeating this on this forum because, as far as I know, we all agree. And we all sympathize with the situation of the Chinese. We can circle jerk here denouncing Amerikkka all we want but we're not convincing anyone. This forum is more of a place to discuss strategy and engage in analysis, not spout rhetoric. I assume everyone here already supports China at least for the most part. If you want to make arguments against the US position I suggest going on a place where it will be heard by Americans. They are the ones who need to hear it, not SDF.

 

[manqiangrexue]

We all disagree with the actions of other countries. I'm against all the anti-China moves by the US and India. Happy now?

Nah, what happiness does one get from hearing a Hanjian's lies to try to curry trust?

There's no point in repeating this on this forum because, as far as I know, we all agree.

Then stop repeating yourself, especially all the points that are rebuffed and defeated.

And we all sympathize with the situation of the Chinese. We can circle jerk here denouncing Amerikkka all we want but we're not convincing anyone. This forum is more of a place to discuss strategy and engage in analysis, not spout rhetoric. I assume everyone here already supports China at least for the most part. If you want to make arguments against the US position I suggest going on a place where it will be heard by Americans. They are the ones who need to hear it, not SDF.

Why make arguments to Americans? The more entrenched they are in their racism and ignorance, the better. Enlightening your enemy is a disservice to yourself. They can only use your words to understand and plot against you better (though most are too stupid and will immediately go into trailer park rage mode). China and the US are destined to clash (though not necessarily in a hot war) for the world crown; there is no rapprochement until the US accepts and embraces that it is not able to compete with China because China has more people, more driven people, and smarter people.

 

[gadgetcool5]

manqiangrexue, for all your seeming pro-China posting here, you don't seem to understand that China's leadership is not looking for supremacy or the "crown".* They are not building 800 military bases around the world. They do not have 20+ aircraft carriers planned to match NATO. They are not trying to match the US in military spending. The Chinese government is trying to build a moderately prosperous society, and a multilateral world -- that is it. That is why I support China, because its goals are totally legitimate and righteous, and the US attempt to keep it down is immoral. The idea that China is aiming for world supremacy is false and, is the same view held by American ultra-hawks. Ironically.

* Although if current hostilities continue to escalate, China may be forced to change its goals or be crushed.

 

[Mt1701d]

We all disagree with the actions of other countries. I'm against all the anti-China moves by the US and India. Happy now? There's no point in repeating this on this forum because, as far as I know, we all agree. And we all sympathize with the situation of the Chinese. We can circle jerk here denouncing Amerikkka all we want but we're not convincing anyone. This forum is more of a place to discuss strategy and engage in analysis, not spout rhetoric. I assume everyone here already supports China at least for the most part. If you want to make arguments against the US position I suggest going on a place where it will be heard by Americans. They are the ones who need to hear it, not SDF.

The funny thing is if the people you are trying to convince isn’t even willing to look for the information counter to their opinion then there was no convincing them in the first place... your opinion is just as valid and you are free to speak them, that’s why members here are willing to reply, discuss the issue and present their counter points... however presenting a one-sided view point and saying China should be build relationships is also just useless rhetoric, it’s not an analysis or strategy.

Hell who doesn’t know having more friends and better relationships is a good thing, remember the Chinese are all about relationships and how to manage them, it’s to the point that it is particularly built into the social and political system along with having ability, since you can’t build meaningful relationships without having ability in the first place, that means if you don’t have the ability, bending over backwards in order to have ‘friendships’, ‘relationships’ and promises that can be thrown away at any time would get you squat.

That’s why your arguments have issues in that China should show good will, which usually get you nothing back in return because the other side usually feels that it is to be expected and in the case of the US and India it would not even return the most basic of courtesy or respect.

 

[manqiangrexue]

Oops, here we go, back to Falun Gong style for you.

manqiangrexue, for all your seeming pro-China posting here, you don't seem to understand that China's leadership is not looking for supremacy or the "crown".*

I don't understand that because it's not true. China aims to be the best at everything; everyone else here knows it except you, the fool who actually believes American politicians when they say they love Chinese people but hate the Chinese government LOL You actually think China wants to be one of the pack instead of the leader? It's stupid beyond words.

They are not building 800 military bases around the world. They do not have 20+ aircraft carriers planned to match NATO.

Being supreme is not the same as global military domination, which history has shown will stretch any nation beyond its resources, for now. Where would these 800 bases go? Build 20 carriers when China has an improved design every 2 years? You don't have a brain filter, do you?

They are not trying to match the US in military spending.

Because China can get far more done with far less money and it also doesn't have to stick to the budget if it becomes apparent the more money can be very useful. The budget is just a formality really. China's military procurement is advancing wisely according to its technological development. It doesn't buy as much stuff as it can to be aggressive only for that stuff to become last generation by Chinese standards in 2 years time.

The Chinese government is trying to build a moderately prosperous society, and a multilateral world -- that is it.

Well, China has too many people so that is a stepping stone. A multilateral world is also a stepping stone but it does not conflict with China being the best at everything and unassailable from every angle.

That is why I support China, because its goals are totally legitimate and righteous, and the US attempt to keep it down is immoral. The idea that China is aiming for world supremacy is false and, is the same view held by American ultra-hawks. Ironically.

Your understanding of China is false and your support is both inconsequential and false.

* Although if current hostilities continue to escalate, China may be forced to change its goals or be crushed.

Be crushed? Falun Gong fantasy showing up again LOL. One can only force China to become stronger, nothing else. When the going gets tough, China gets tougher. Hostilities are entirely the fault of those who fear China's rise and they will bear the consequences, not China. If every other country in the world were crushed, China would still hang on.