Re: Consequences of Flanker and PAK FA exports for the PACRIM from US-allied perspect
Sources for J-10 radars able to see and guide missiles beyond 100KM?
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That's what I mean, if you don't know the real progress of J-20, how can you be sure that F-35 is making more progress than J-20? And no, China is NOT OBLIGATED to tell everyone every single detail of the J-20 program.
But from what we do know, is that F-35 producer themselves said they are facing many problems in development, and it would need them at least another 6 years to get ready. And during this time, if from past experience, it will get even more expensive and it may take even longer.
Because remember, F-35 was suppose to be 1/3 the cost of F-22 when it was first proposed around 70 million dollar each, now the current price has rise to almost 200 million dollar each, even more than the cost of F-22 when they shut down it is production line. You cannot say J-20's development is going to be better or worse than that, all we know is F-35 won't be ready until at least 2018.
X-35 flew in 2000 and F35 in 2006. J-20 started in 2011. Although there are too many demands for customization for each airforce. But just using common sense, let's just say the core F35 designed for USAF, do you think the one flew in 2000 will enter service earlier or the one flew in 2011?[/QUOTE]
F-22 first flight in 1990, F-22 introduction to Air force in 2005
2005-1990=15 years
J-10 first flight in 1998, J-10 introduction to Air force in 2005
2005-1998=7 years
Just saying....
OH AND F-35 first flight was in 2006, NOT 2000.
F-35 first flight 2006+15 years(F-22 development) = 2021.. lets make it 2018 for the sake of your argument
J-20 First flight 2011+7 years (J-10 development) = 2018
So yeah, you can't say for sure which one will be operational first.
The 100km you are using, I think you mean for the plane to be able to fire BVR missile like R-77 or AIM-120 right? If so go google PL-12, it has the same range of R-77 and AIM-120. And all J-10 and Flankers is able to use that.
China have about 100+ Flankers that can use it,
China have about 200+ J-20 that can use it. It uses KLJ-10 radar, which was actually developed base on Phazotron N010, but 100% made in China.
The only missile A2A missile that actually have 100Km range is the Russian R-33 (Only used on Mig-31) and American AIM-54 Phoenix (Retired now, and only used on F-14). The target for both missile is primarily enemy AWAC planes, for fighter jets, medium A2A is enough, aka R-77 and AIM-120 and PL-12
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all what you say is forumlore, nothing realistic or based upon facts.
F-35 has almos 12 years of design since its first flight, J-20 has just being released, a year ago, F-35 already is entering mass production like PAKFA a few dozens will be manufacture
[video=youtube;u0MgS5gG84Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0MgS5gG84Y&list=UUJWcF0ex7_doPdIQGbVpDsQ&index=3&feature=plcp[/video]
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Lockheed Martin Corp has won $237 million in extra funding for a fourth batch of F-35 Joint Strike Fighters to account for changes to the hardware and software of the stealthy, supersonic new warplanes, the Pentagon said on Monday.
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That sources does NOT support your claim that F-35 is in production, it only says US have assigned this or that company to produce the plane, read it again, where in it did it say, when will the production start? Where will it be deployed to?
They intend to keep F-35 production at very low and costly production rates until at or near full specification performance is demonstrated. For the F-35,
final testing is not scheduled for completion until 2017.
Hundreds of F-35s will be built before 2019, when initial testing is complete.
What happening is, they are actually building F-35 even if it is not even fully operationally, US is just pumping out jets that are not even finish testing and use it to let pilots to test it. And when it is finally done, all those jets will go back to the assemble plant and retro fit to became the complete version.
But those incomplete jet will only be in United States, it will not go to Japan, Germany before 2019. And no, it will not be combat ready.
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The F-35 isn't only expensive -- it's way behind schedule. The first plan was to have an initial batch of F-35s available for combat in 2010. Then first deployment was to be 2012. More recently, the military services have said the deployment date is "to be determined." A new target date of 2019 has been informally suggested in testimony -- almost 10 years late.
