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bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
Ordinary Joes can buy two not-bad computers at an impulsion

I'm a regular guy however.. I don't by cheap stuff{on sale but not cheap} and always pay cash.. by no means am I wealthy. We just save money and by stuff we need or want. We don't have any vices to feed.
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
O.T.

And who says China is'nt extremely reliant on trading with the West.

Getting back to computers, personally Ive never taken to the H.P. computers. Even after they took over Compaq I preferred to buy the Compaq line though the stores never pushed them as much.
 

SteelBird

Colonel
Given the huge size of HDD at 1TB or 2TB, I think it's time that people should turn to SSD because HDD is prone to physical damage. After 1 or 2 years of usage, an HDD usually start having bad sector.
 

delft

Brigadier
Your operating system should look out for bad sectors and save the information that is endangered.
Btw my wife and I have several computers, nearly all second hand, often with added or replaced, huge, hard discs.
We have thrown out several when we moved house and I will have to look for information to be saved from the hard discs we kept.
Before we moved house my wife stayed during the week with her mother, while working at the university. She bought a second hand machine from the uni for EUR 45 and used that at her mother's. At the time a friend of her mother's had a computer die on him and he bought a new one. My wife took the hd out of his machine, put it in a cage with an USB connection and saved his files. When after our move her machine showed signs of heat stress during the summer I investigated the friend's machine, put in a better fitting power supply unit, my wife's hd and a new hd ( the smallest I could find, 680 gig) and we found the result to be very nearly silent. A machine from 2005! Apparently just the operating system ( Windows XP ) had died. But now my machine has to be replaced because it is too noisy.
We use Arch Linux and are looking at other operating systems ( FreeBSD, Syllable &c. ).
 

RedMercury

Junior Member
If you're HDD is dying after a year or two, you're buying the wrong brand/models. Go for enterprise quality HDD with million plus MTBF. HDD is one of the few moving parts in your computer (other are fans/power supply), so it is important to get quality+reliable products. Rest of the computer (baring capacitor death, which is pretty rare now) is pretty darn reliable.
 

SteelBird

Colonel
Hitachi, Samsung are the most reliable HDD we can get here but they almost never stay longer than two years. I don't know if the high heat and dusty environment have contributed to the early damage of the HDD or not.
 

Red___Sword

Junior Member
I'm a regular guy however.. I don't by cheap stuff{on sale but not cheap} and always pay cash.. by no means am I wealthy. We just save money and by stuff we need or want. We don't have any vices to feed.

Oh you completely mis-understand my point. No bash here, I was saying, "how a developed country looks like", compare to China. The sense of "something took x% of one ordinary people's income" - In China, though computer is not a luxury thing, people don't buy it if not planed (as far as I know), the sense of affordability. In compare, the ordinary "Emporor's right hand", Lord Vader, do not have THAT MUCH of pressure, for affordability, to buy computers.

Ordinary Zhangs save 3 month to buy a new computer, ordinary Joes maybe took only less than one month's saving? That's the whole point.

And my bad, "not-bad" in Chinese mostly refer to not bad at all, or good enough.
 

Quickie

Colonel
If you're HDD is dying after a year or two, you're buying the wrong brand/models. Go for enterprise quality HDD with million plus MTBF. HDD is one of the few moving parts in your computer (other are fans/power supply), so it is important to get quality+reliable products. Rest of the computer (baring capacitor death, which is pretty rare now) is pretty darn reliable.

I had a different experience: Most of the breakdowns I experienced was due to mainboards and processors failure, in fact there was only one case of harddisk failure. I don't know how reliable are the super high density, Terabytes types, are. My one cardinal rule when dealing with harddisk: Treat it like lady, no hard knocks or rough handling, especially when it's running.
 

Red___Sword

Junior Member
Hitachi, Samsung are the most reliable HDD we can get here but they almost never stay longer than two years. I don't know if the high heat and dusty environment have contributed to the early damage of the HDD or not.

I believe reliability reputation held by WDD or Seagate, for normal personal / commercial HDDs; Hitachi may have a good reputation on high end HDD, but didn't stands out at normal ones.

Knowing you are from Southeast Asia, I would say "Made in China" products would have an edge to "Assemble in Thailand" ones, that may also be a factor to your cases. (Singapore don't do the "Made in Singapore" things any more)


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@ Quickie and many others:
...I don't know how reliable are the super high density, Terabytes types, are.

Hey, are we live in digital age with high bandwidth or what? HDD storage is like less than ¥1.00RMB per GB these days (less than 50cent if you actually buy it at China market), people subscribs to fail-when-you-need-it mobile digital plans, yet not having themselves some TB level of HDDs?

OK, I maybe a typical Chinese guy who measure a game, a movie, a book, an OST... by electric and network bill (if you get what I mean), but TB HDDs really should be common by now.
 
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Quickie

Colonel
Oh you completely mis-understand my point. No bash here, I was saying, "how a developed country looks like", compare to China. The sense of "something took x% of one ordinary people's income" - In China, though computer is not a luxury thing, people don't buy it if not planed (as far as I know), the sense of affordability. In compare, the ordinary "Emporor's right hand", Lord Vader, do not have THAT MUCH of pressure, for affordability, to buy computers.

Ordinary Zhangs save 3 month to buy a new computer, ordinary Joes maybe took only less than one month's saving? That's the whole point.

And my bad, "not-bad" in Chinese mostly refer to not bad at all, or good enough.


I think "not bad" means the same thing for both languages. :D

Electronics equipment, high technology products, have always been a luxury to emerging countries for the reason that their prices are relatively much higher than the other items of cost of living when compared with developed countries. The exchange rate may be in favour of the emerging countries in terms of getting jobs but they still end up having to pay more for the things they manufactured.
 
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