Computer Talk
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Re: Computer Talk!!
Really?? humm?? Susposed the any other nation outlawed all imported computer technoligies and required everyone to use that countries computer tech? Now is that fair? How does this proposed policy contribute to a fair and open economy..for all parties involved?
Really?? humm?? Susposed the any other nation outlawed all imported computer technoligies and required everyone to use that countries computer tech? Now is that fair? How does this proposed policy contribute to a fair and open economy..for all parties involved?
antimatter
Banned Idiot
Re: Computer Talk!!
If Chinese government can restrict freedom of speech and religion then they might as well outlaw windows and Intel processors for the sake of internal development and job creations.
Like in the military why CHina bother to make those subs, aircraft carrier, ships, they are still generation behind the western standard. And western are very stingy to give any dual use tech to CHina.
The key is to make it your own it what matter. If you don't do yourslef , you will never know how to do it. therefore it's strategic value to have its own computer industry from ground up.
If Chinese government can restrict freedom of speech and religion then they might as well outlaw windows and Intel processors for the sake of internal development and job creations.
Like in the military why CHina bother to make those subs, aircraft carrier, ships, they are still generation behind the western standard. And western are very stingy to give any dual use tech to CHina.
The key is to make it your own it what matter. If you don't do yourslef , you will never know how to do it. therefore it's strategic value to have its own computer industry from ground up.
RedMercury
Junior Member
Re: Computer Talk!!
Without commenting further on whether it is a good or bad idea, excuses for outlawing Microsoft/Intel are easy to come up with: security. Speculations have already been made that Microsoft put in deep and hidden backdoors to windows as required by certain intelligence organizations and the same criticism can be brought against Intel with no possible recourse by these companies because they cannot prove otherwise. They will not open their source or designs for fear of theft, so they can't prove there is no backdoor. Security trumps everything in trade (e.g. Unocal), as recognized by WTO, so the only recourse is trade war.
Without commenting further on whether it is a good or bad idea, excuses for outlawing Microsoft/Intel are easy to come up with: security. Speculations have already been made that Microsoft put in deep and hidden backdoors to windows as required by certain intelligence organizations and the same criticism can be brought against Intel with no possible recourse by these companies because they cannot prove otherwise. They will not open their source or designs for fear of theft, so they can't prove there is no backdoor. Security trumps everything in trade (e.g. Unocal), as recognized by WTO, so the only recourse is trade war.
Re: Computer Talk!!
I'm pretty sure Chinese government already uses their own brand of Linux. Most appropriately named Red Flag Linux, as opposed to Red Hat Linux, which is one of the more popular Linux distributions around. This is not to say Red Hat is also competing for the Chinese market, as well as Novell's SUSE and Turbo Linux.
Has anyone seen those Motorola smartphone PDAs that are exclusive to the Chinese market? They got touch screens and stylus, with handwriting recognition, plus a clam shell to cover the screen. I thought those phones were fantastic. I heard they are Linux based and has grabbed a leading share in the Chinese smartphone/PDA market.
Its truly ironic that Motorola doesn't have them in the US, as those phones, only being gray marketed in the US, would have been a serious iPhone and Blackberry competitor.
I'm pretty sure Chinese government already uses their own brand of Linux. Most appropriately named Red Flag Linux, as opposed to Red Hat Linux, which is one of the more popular Linux distributions around. This is not to say Red Hat is also competing for the Chinese market, as well as Novell's SUSE and Turbo Linux.
Has anyone seen those Motorola smartphone PDAs that are exclusive to the Chinese market? They got touch screens and stylus, with handwriting recognition, plus a clam shell to cover the screen. I thought those phones were fantastic. I heard they are Linux based and has grabbed a leading share in the Chinese smartphone/PDA market.
Its truly ironic that Motorola doesn't have them in the US, as those phones, only being gray marketed in the US, would have been a serious iPhone and Blackberry competitor.
FriedRiceNSpice
Captain
Re: Computer Talk!!
I put together my new supermachine....
and no monitor signal or beeps =(
I put together my new supermachine....
and no monitor signal or beeps =(
flyboy2008
New Member
Re: China should have its own computer industry standard
100% agree. China needs it's own Intel and Microsoft.
100% agree. China needs it's own Intel and Microsoft.
Re: Computer Talk!!
Already mentioned that creating government set IT standards and technology for the private sector has been historically an epic fail. The US government and military tried it. Japan Inc tried it---many times. The USSR also tried it. Nothing worked out. The Chinese government can mandate its own use of local processors and operating systems, but it should not apply that on the public sector.
I got the feeling all this conversation has something to do with this.
Chinese city requires Net cafes to use legitimate software
By Sumner Lemon , IDG News Service , 12/03/2008
Nanchang, the capital of China's eastern Jiangxi province, has required Internet cafe operators to replace pirated server software with licensed versions. Cafes that don't will lose their license to operate, but some are grumbling about the cost of installing legitimate software.
"What has the world come to, when no leaders will come forward to speak out on behalf of Internet owners like us," wrote one user on a Jiangxi discussion forum (in Chinese).
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"When you talk to officials from the Culture Department, they tell you, 'If you're willing to pay, pay; if not, you have the option not to pay.' Hearing words like that turns your heart cold. We really can't make a living," the user said.
Chinese news reports estimated that up to 600 Internet cafes in Nanchang, a city of around 4 million people, are affected by the order, which aims to stamp out the use of pirated software in local Internet cafes. (Read a story about an inside look at censorship in China.)
Despite Western news reports that Nanchang officials aim to stop Internet cafes from using legitimate copies of Windows, the government order for Internet cafes to install legitimate software appears to affect only users running pirated software and suggests Windows as one option for purchasing licensed software.
"We recommend the use of Red Flag Linux server operating system or Microsoft Windows Server operating system," said the directive issued by Nanchang's Cultural Department on Oct. 22. Copies of the order (page 1, page 2 and page 3, [in Chinese]) were posted online by Chinese Internet users.
Officials at Nanchang's Cultural Department could not immediately be reached for comment.
Software piracy is a widespread problem in China. Even when users don't install pirated software themselves, whitebox PC makers and other retailers often preload pirated software instead of legitimate versions on PCs and servers. The Business Software Alliance, a trade group established to fight software piracy, estimated that the rate of software piracy in China was 82% in 2007, the most recent figure available.
As part of Nanchang's crackdown on pirated software, officials apparently struck a deal with a local Red Flag Linux distributor to install licensed software and provide two years of support for 5,000 yuan ($725).
"We're using domestically produced Red Flag software, and have set a standard one-time fee of 5,000 yuan for each Internet cafe, which includes a lifetime license, and we will provide all Internet cafe owners two years of maintenance support for free," said Ren Xiaojie, general manager of a software distribution company, quoted in a report (in Chinese) by Jiangxi Television's City Channel.
Red Flag Linux is a version of the Asianux Linux distribution, jointly developed by China's Red Flag, South Korea's Haansoft, and Miracle Linux, of Japan. The desktop version of the software is free, but Red Flag and its distributors charge users for the server version, as well as for support to help companies install and manage the software.
Some Internet cafe owners were unhappy with the fee, and complained they are prevented from using other Linux distributions.
"You have to install Red Flag Linux, and pay 5,000 yuan," complained one user on the Jiangxi discussion forum (in Chinese). "If you are using a different Linux distribution, they just say it's pirated!"
It got twisted a bit into this.
Red Flag Linux Forced On Chinese Internet Cafes PDF Print E-mail
rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/lkYuAVbFDSM/article.pl
iamhigh writes "Reports are popping up that Chinese Internet Cafes are being required to switch to Red Flag Linux. Red Flag is China's biggest Linux distro and recently received headlines for their Olympic Edition release. The regulations, effective Nov. 5th, are aimed at combating piracy and require only that cafes install either a legal version of Windows or Red Flag. However, Radio Free Asia says that cafes are being forced to install Red Flag even if they have legal versions of Windows. Obviously questions about spying and surveillance have arisen, with no comment from the Chinese Government."
Already mentioned that creating government set IT standards and technology for the private sector has been historically an epic fail. The US government and military tried it. Japan Inc tried it---many times. The USSR also tried it. Nothing worked out. The Chinese government can mandate its own use of local processors and operating systems, but it should not apply that on the public sector.
I got the feeling all this conversation has something to do with this.
Chinese city requires Net cafes to use legitimate software
By Sumner Lemon , IDG News Service , 12/03/2008
Nanchang, the capital of China's eastern Jiangxi province, has required Internet cafe operators to replace pirated server software with licensed versions. Cafes that don't will lose their license to operate, but some are grumbling about the cost of installing legitimate software.
"What has the world come to, when no leaders will come forward to speak out on behalf of Internet owners like us," wrote one user on a Jiangxi discussion forum (in Chinese).
Read the latest WhitePaper - Five Best Practices for Enterprise Collaboration Success
"When you talk to officials from the Culture Department, they tell you, 'If you're willing to pay, pay; if not, you have the option not to pay.' Hearing words like that turns your heart cold. We really can't make a living," the user said.
Chinese news reports estimated that up to 600 Internet cafes in Nanchang, a city of around 4 million people, are affected by the order, which aims to stamp out the use of pirated software in local Internet cafes. (Read a story about an inside look at censorship in China.)
Despite Western news reports that Nanchang officials aim to stop Internet cafes from using legitimate copies of Windows, the government order for Internet cafes to install legitimate software appears to affect only users running pirated software and suggests Windows as one option for purchasing licensed software.
"We recommend the use of Red Flag Linux server operating system or Microsoft Windows Server operating system," said the directive issued by Nanchang's Cultural Department on Oct. 22. Copies of the order (page 1, page 2 and page 3, [in Chinese]) were posted online by Chinese Internet users.
Officials at Nanchang's Cultural Department could not immediately be reached for comment.
Software piracy is a widespread problem in China. Even when users don't install pirated software themselves, whitebox PC makers and other retailers often preload pirated software instead of legitimate versions on PCs and servers. The Business Software Alliance, a trade group established to fight software piracy, estimated that the rate of software piracy in China was 82% in 2007, the most recent figure available.
As part of Nanchang's crackdown on pirated software, officials apparently struck a deal with a local Red Flag Linux distributor to install licensed software and provide two years of support for 5,000 yuan ($725).
"We're using domestically produced Red Flag software, and have set a standard one-time fee of 5,000 yuan for each Internet cafe, which includes a lifetime license, and we will provide all Internet cafe owners two years of maintenance support for free," said Ren Xiaojie, general manager of a software distribution company, quoted in a report (in Chinese) by Jiangxi Television's City Channel.
Red Flag Linux is a version of the Asianux Linux distribution, jointly developed by China's Red Flag, South Korea's Haansoft, and Miracle Linux, of Japan. The desktop version of the software is free, but Red Flag and its distributors charge users for the server version, as well as for support to help companies install and manage the software.
Some Internet cafe owners were unhappy with the fee, and complained they are prevented from using other Linux distributions.
"You have to install Red Flag Linux, and pay 5,000 yuan," complained one user on the Jiangxi discussion forum (in Chinese). "If you are using a different Linux distribution, they just say it's pirated!"
It got twisted a bit into this.
Red Flag Linux Forced On Chinese Internet Cafes PDF Print E-mail
rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/lkYuAVbFDSM/article.pl
iamhigh writes "Reports are popping up that Chinese Internet Cafes are being required to switch to Red Flag Linux. Red Flag is China's biggest Linux distro and recently received headlines for their Olympic Edition release. The regulations, effective Nov. 5th, are aimed at combating piracy and require only that cafes install either a legal version of Windows or Red Flag. However, Radio Free Asia says that cafes are being forced to install Red Flag even if they have legal versions of Windows. Obviously questions about spying and surveillance have arisen, with no comment from the Chinese Government."
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Re: Computer Talk!!
Gents..I have a question. What causes web pages to freeze? And how can I prevent this from occuring? I noticed if I use tinypic to host my photos I will get a page freeze somewhere along the line. Perhaps there is some sort of tracking cookie at tinypic causing the problem?? Now.. if I use a diffrent photo hosting site ..less frequent page freezes. Much less. Does not happen every day. But often enough to annoy the crap outta me!
Any soultions???
And yes we run de-frag ,norton etc on a regular schedule.
Gents..I have a question. What causes web pages to freeze? And how can I prevent this from occuring? I noticed if I use tinypic to host my photos I will get a page freeze somewhere along the line. Perhaps there is some sort of tracking cookie at tinypic causing the problem?? Now.. if I use a diffrent photo hosting site ..less frequent page freezes. Much less. Does not happen every day. But often enough to annoy the crap outta me!
Any soultions???
And yes we run de-frag ,norton etc on a regular schedule.