COMAC C929 Widebody Airliner

ACuriousPLAFan said:

Might as well call it the C(R)929 by this point. Or just C929 straight away.

Considering that Russia is more interested in their own IL-96-400M than the joint project with China, so why bother with the "R" anymore?

China should expect to do more of the heavylifting work on its own from now on.

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yes. looks like Russia withdrew from this project. they will provide composite wing to C(R)929.

C(R)929 funding , wind tunnel testing , design phase and other pre-design testing done in China. so China did major work in this project. Russia also did some testing for wing design.

Boltzmann said:

I'm not trying to be rude to the Russians but what do they realistically bring to the table as a supplier?
If China can import components then it's better to work with western suppliers like the C919 project. And if it can't then at this point there isn't anything aviation-related that Russia can build wholly on its own which China cannot.

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Russia supplying composite wing to C(R)929 aircraft. they have done major testing in wind tunnel and some simulation test too. this is as per the agreement signed between COMAC and UAC.

now what about China's locally produce composite wing ?

The North Research Center of COMAC has done the full-scale box section test and verification of the T800-level composite carbon wing.

According to COMAC, the completion of this project at the end of 2019 means that COMAC basically has the design, manufacturing and verification capabilities of the main structure of the composite wing of a large passenger aircraft.



COMAC developing composite wing for C(R)929 too.

China is not far behind in carbon fiber. US/Japan , Russia and now China have this material.

ACuriousPLAFan said:

A COMAC-Embraer joint venture certainly sounds nice. Lots of technical expertise and experience can be exchanged between both companies across a wide range of their products, while maintaining their corporate profile.

Embraer will focus on regional jets and business jets, while COMAC will focus on narrowbody and widebody jetliners.

However, such ventures could risk sanctions against Embraer, whose aircraft products seriously depend on Western-made engines. Then there's also their military aircraft products too, which would certainly invite scrutiny from the West if those divisions are to have closer cooperation with China as well.

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I think comac Embraer jv for 110 to 150 seat market would make sense, but Embraer already has e2 for that space.

Has this ever been published?

Translation: According to the public information on the Shanghai bidding website, the CJ-2000AX verification machine project should have been completed. Alu maintains his previous judgment that CJ-2000 is really likely to catch up with the progress of C(R)929.




It seems that the progress of CJ-2000 is faster than PD-35.

Red tsunami said:

Has this ever been published?

Translation: According to the public information on the Shanghai bidding website, the CJ-2000AX verification machine project should have been completed. Alu maintains his previous judgment that CJ-2000 is really likely to catch up with the progress of C(R)929.

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It seems that the progress of CJ-2000 is faster than PD-35.

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already posted in Engine thread.

CJ-2000 progress is actually way faster than CJ-1000. AECC set the 2030 date for certification. but this project will complete before 2030.

sunnymaxi said:

already posted in Engine thread.

CJ-2000 progress is actually way faster than CJ-1000. AECC set the 2030 date for certification. but this project will complete before 2030.

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One of the reasons may be that CJ-1000 "paved the way" for CJ-2000 ahead. Just like the benefits that ARJ21 brings to C919.

Now COMAC truly alone?!

Deino said:

Now COMAC truly alone?!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1671097710634475522

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speculation since Russian-Ukraine war.

COMAC removed UAC/CR929 logo from this aircraft.

as per the inside source, Russia will become supplier instead of partner due to sanctions. so far no official announcement. we have to wait

We already knew about this a long time ago. There were press releases about it. Denis Manturov announced it.
Because China wants to proceed with program using Western components, Russia will leave the joint venture and become a supplier. Otherwise the airplane would be sanctioned. Because UAC is sanctioned. So UAC cannot be part of company structure.

I predicted this would likely happen a long time before it was announced and said as much here even.

In practice nothing changes. At least thus far all the related programs are still chugging along and technical cooperation is still happening. It is basically a change in corporate structure to make the whole program more sanction proof.

gelgoog said:

We already knew about this a long time ago. There were press releases about it. Denis Manturov announced it.
Because China wants to proceed with program using Western components, Russia will leave the joint venture and become a supplier. Otherwise the airplane would be sanctioned. Because UAC is sanctioned. So UAC cannot be part of company structure.

I predicted this would likely happen a long time before it was announced and said as much here even.

In practice nothing changes. At least thus far all the related programs are still chugging along and technical cooperation is still happening. It is basically a change in corporate structure to make the whole program more sanction proof.

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But would aircraft be able to be sold to Russian airliners with PD-35s, but many other western systems?

If there is a variant that doesn't have any western systems, it could be sold to many different countries.

sunnymaxi said:

Paris Air show 2023.

COMAC display all three models. ARJ-21/C919 and CR929. but the most interesting thing is, they removed UAC logo from CR929. also didn't mention CR929.

just called this plane 'COMAC long range wide body aircraft'

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Except CR929 and UAC, Russian tri-color is still on the tail compared to previous model below. I think it is possible that Russia may have chosen or going to quit as partner, BUT it is still too early to say for sure. If it is already decided, why leave the Russian tri-color unchanged when removing CR929 from the tail? This repainted mockup could be just for sensitivity to France due to the ongoing war.