COMAC C929 Widebody Airliner

Today TASS reported the latest statement of Russian Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Industry and Trade Manturov - "Russia is ready to abandon the joint development of aircraft with Chins ( )". The report mentioned that China still hopes to maintain the participation of Western suppliers, and Russia is ready to abandon the idea of being a partner and instead maintain its status as a material and component supplier..

sunnymaxi said:

Today TASS reported the latest statement of Russian Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Industry and Trade Manturov - "Russia is ready to abandon the joint development of aircraft with Chins (

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)". The report mentioned that China still hopes to maintain the participation of Western suppliers, and Russia is ready to abandon the idea of being a partner and instead maintain its status as a material and component supplier..

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Does this mean that semi-officially, CR929 would eventually become C929 instead?

sunnymaxi said:

Today TASS reported the latest statement of Russian Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Industry and Trade Manturov - "Russia is ready to abandon the joint development of aircraft with Chins (

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)". The report mentioned that China still hopes to maintain the participation of Western suppliers, and Russia is ready to abandon the idea of being a partner and instead maintain its status as a material and component supplier..

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A most logical consequence! Russia has no political intentions anymore and even lesser any budget for a product that is connected to the West. On the other side, China cannot take the burden of seeing its prime civil project under danger of being sanctioned by the West due to Russia.

ACuriousPLAFan said:

Does this mean that semi-officially, CR929 would eventually become C929 instead?

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it was expected. so yes

Deino said:

A most logical consequence! Russia has no political intentions anymore and even lesser any budget for a product that is connected to the West. On the other side, China cannot take the burden of seeing its prime civil project under danger of being sanctioned by the West due to Russia.

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agreed. another thing, China wants EU certification and C919 has already applied.

Russia has been demanding the replacement of western parts in CR929 but it is not possible as China deeply integrated with foreign suppliers. spend billions of yuan in Joint venture.

due to lack of cash Russia prioritize other critical projects.

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Today TASS reported the latest statement of Russian Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Industry and Trade Manturov - "Russia is ready to abandon the joint development of aircraft with Chins (

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)". The report mentioned that China still hopes to maintain the participation of Western suppliers, and Russia is ready to abandon the idea of being a partner and instead maintain its status as a material and component supplier..

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— Возвращаясь к теме международного сотрудничества, что сейчас происходит с совместным проектом России и Китая по созданию дальнемагистрального широкофюзеляжного авиалайнера CR929?

— Думаю, мы в первом квартале следующего года проведем очередные переговоры, выйдем на понятные перспективы и сроки. Но у наших китайских коллег на сегодняшний день в этом проекте присутствуют заявки на участие от различных производителей компонентов третьих стран. Мы же такой формат для себя не рассматриваем, с учетом сегодняшней ситуации и всех рисков, которые очень хорошо понимаем. Поэтому, чтобы с ними не столкнуться, возможно, примем для себя решение из партнера в рамках этого проекта перейти в статус поставщика агрегатов, компонентов.

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-Returning to the topic of international cooperation, how about the joint project of Russia and China to develop a long-range wide body aircraft CR929?

-I believe that we will hold the next meeting in the first quarter of next year and reach a clear prospect and timetable. But so far, our Chinese counterparts have received applications from third-party component manufacturers. Considering the current situation and all the risks we are very aware of, we do not consider this form. Therefore, in order to avoid conflicts with them, we may decide to upgrade from the partner of the project to the component and component supplier.

There goes this talk again that Russia "does not have money". If you were following the nuclear reactor power plant construction projects Russia is doing you would not be making such claims. Russia made a $10 billion USD loan to Belarus to build their two nuclear reactors. And similar loans have been made by Russia to Egypt, Turkey, and India for power plants of double the size with four reactors. And another two reactors are being built in Bangladesh. All are made with Russian loans. Do the math. This is like $80 billion USD. Russia had trade and government surpluses for over a decade, they have over $300 billion USD in gold and Yuan reserves alone. Even if you ignore the $300 billion USD in reserves the West stole from Russia.

Are you also going to claim India is going to pay for Su-57 development, and that Russia cannot fund the development on their own? Except they did huh?

For your info it took $15 billion USD to develop the Airbus A350. And they were not paying Russian salaries.

gelgoog said:

There goes this talk again that Russia "does not have money". If you were following the nuclear reactor power plant construction projects Russia is doing you would not be making such claims. Russia made a $10 billion USD loan to Belarus to build their two nuclear reactors. And similar loans have been made by Russia to Egypt, Turkey, and India for power plants of double the size with four reactors. And another two reactors are being built in Bangladesh. All are made with Russian loans. Do the math. This is like $80 billion USD. Russia had trade and government surpluses for over a decade, they have over $300 billion USD in gold and Yuan reserves alone. Even if you ignore the $300 billion USD in reserves the West stole from Russia.

Are you also going to claim India is going to pay for Su-57 development, and that Russia cannot fund the development on their own? Except they did huh?

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Yup. Russia has money and the West is not shy about sanctioning China, with or without Russian participation. It is now the open goal of the Biden Administration to hold back Chinese innovation at all costs.

Russia is right now trying to sell similar nuclear reactor projects to Saudi Arabia and Indonesia. Putin talked about the Indonesian deal just days ago. I doubt Indonesia would not be requiring a loan as well.

Russia has a huge trade surplus with the West. Because of the sanctions the surplus is even more lopsided than usual. They need to use this trade surplus on something. Because Russia's economists are afraid of "Dutch disease" and inflation rising in Russia even further they kept storing these surpluses in foreign reserves and the sovereign wealth fund. Now that there is no chance of doing that, they are spending it on investments abroad. The government spending clique wants to splurge it all on investments in Russia, since those at least cannot be confiscated, inflation be damned.

What Manturov is describing is basically the situation I described a couple months ago where UAC would go from partner to subcontractor of COMAC as a way to sidestep Western sanctions on UAC. Airplane development will just continue as usual. And yes it might be renamed from CR929 to C929. The difference is Russia would become a subcontractor, on wings and maybe engines, and other components instead of being a partner. And joint development work on the airframe would instead be considered as Russian services to China. It is just a way make the aircraft more resistant against sanctions.

But Russia will most likely still want a Western free version of the aircraft they can purchase in the long run.

A. Gaidansky: TsAGI will test the composite wing of the CR929 aircraft
28.03.2023

Ulyanovsk-based company Aerocomposit has completed manufacturing, and delivered to TsAGI for testing, a prototype wing made of polymer composite materials for the Russian-Chinese CR929 wide-body long-haul aircraft. So declared Anatoly Gaidansky, General Director of Aerocomposit JSC, First Deputy General Director of Irkut Corporation during the forum "Composites without borders".

"This year we completed and have now put to the test at TsAGI a prototype composite wing for the CR929 aircraft. As you know – this is our joint project with our Chinese partners, which we are currently preparing for testing and will probably conduct static tests by the middle of this year", he said.

According to Gaidansky, the wing of the CR929 aircraft is much larger than the wing of the MS-21 passenger airliner. The size of the prototype in the chord is up to 6 m, and the length is up to 22 meters. The increase in dimensions in the wing compared to the MS-21 entails different profile thicknesses and, accordingly, completely different design characteristics and strength testing methods, the general director of AeroComposit noted.

Anatoly Gaidansky also stressed that the prototype of the CR929 wing is planned to be shown at the MAKS-2023 air show, so that visitors to the exhibition can see firsthand how serious this design is.

In March 2021, TsAGI completed tests of the CR929 wing model with a crescent-shaped tip for stall phenomena at the wing ends, both at low and high flight speeds.

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A. Gaidansky: TsAGI will test the composite wing of the CR929 aircraft
28.03.2023

Ulyanovsk-based company Aerocomposit has completed manufacturing, and delivered to TsAGI for testing, a prototype wing made of polymer composite materials for the Russian-Chinese CR929 wide-body long-haul aircraft. So declared Anatoly Gaidansky, General Director of Aerocomposit JSC, First Deputy General Director of Irkut Corporation during the forum "Composites without borders".

"This year we completed and have now put to the test at TsAGI a prototype composite wing for the CR929 aircraft. As you know – this is our joint project with our Chinese partners, which we are currently preparing for testing and will probably conduct static tests by the middle of this year", he said.

According to Gaidansky, the wing of the CR929 aircraft is much larger than the wing of the MS-21 passenger airliner. The size of the prototype in the chord is up to 6 m, and the length is up to 22 meters. The increase in dimensions in the wing compared to the MS-21 entails different profile thicknesses and, accordingly, completely different design characteristics and strength testing methods, the general director of AeroComposit noted.

Anatoly Gaidansky also stressed that the prototype of the CR929 wing is planned to be shown at the MAKS-2023 air show, so that visitors to the exhibition can see firsthand how serious this design is.

In March 2021, TsAGI completed tests of the CR929 wing model with a crescent-shaped tip for stall phenomena at the wing ends, both at low and high flight speeds.

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