COMAC C919

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gelgoog

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nlalyst said:
I must've missed the big news. What breakthrough has China achieved in 2 years that it took the Dutch 2 decades?
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It hasn't. And he is ignoring all the work being done on this years before the trade war even started.
Until a production line is up and manufacturing at decent yield it is not a proper victory. Plus even if they had a working production line they are still building the production facilities to ramp up production of these machine tools. Production for semiconductor machine tools and semiconductors in general take a long time, almost as bad as aerospace.
 
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sinophilia

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gelgoog said:
It hasn't. And he is ignoring all the work being done on this years before the trade war even started.
Until a production line is up and manufacturing at decent yield it is not a proper victory. Plus even if they had a working production line they are still building the production facilities to ramp up production of these machine tools. Production for semiconductor machine tools and semiconductors in general take a long time, almost as bad as aerospace.
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Are you talking about the entire industry or just EUV specifically?

Because China has rapidly closed the gap in the last few years alone. Volume production of 7nm is actually a possibility in 1-2 years, putting China suddenly only a few years behind the leading manufacturers.
 
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nlalyst

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sinophilia said:
Are you talking about the entire industry or just EUV specifically?

Because China has rapidly closed the gap in the last few years alone. Volume production of 7nm is actually a possibility in 1-2 years, putting China suddenly only a few years behind the leading manufacturers.
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Anything is possible. But the question was about lithography tool manufacturers, not foundries.
 
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Tyler

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voyager1 said:
Good article by FT on C919
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And a good picture which shows how C919 is as much of a western product as it is Chinese
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These information are not necessarily the latest. Choosing to use foreign parts does not necessarily mean they cannot make them themselves. By including foreign parts would even make it easier for foreign agencies to approve the product.
 
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FangYuan

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Tyler said:
These information are not necessarily the latest. Choosing to use foreign parts does not necessarily mean they cannot make them themselves. By including foreign parts would even make it easier for foreign agencies to approve the product.
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In reality, it's not. Foreigners here are mainly Eu and North America, countries that are prejudiced against China. Buying parts from them is like buying someone's noose to hang yourself. And the West can use any excuse to block supply if the two sides come into conflict, or they simply want to destroy China, the same way they nearly brought ZTE to bankruptcy and got Huawei in trouble.

Instead of buying parts from the West in the hope that the West will accept the C-919, China should manufacture 100% of the components domestically, then perfect the C-919 to meet international standards. Foreign approval or not, is not so important.
 
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FangYuan said:
In reality, it's not. Foreigners here are mainly Eu and North America, countries that are prejudiced against China. Buying parts from them is like buying someone's noose to hang yourself. And the West can use any excuse to block supply if the two sides come into conflict, or they simply want to destroy China, the same way they nearly brought ZTE to bankruptcy and got Huawei in trouble.

Instead of buying parts from the West in the hope that the West will accept the C-919, China should manufacture 100% of the components domestically, then perfect the C-919 to meet international standards. Foreign approval or not, is not so important.
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And then close off Chinese market for Boeing and Airbus if EU+US banned the sales of C919 in their territories, thus allowing market access only base on a reciprocal basis.

That is also the path that the Chinese is adopting for all crucial sectors, from precision machineries to semiconductors.

The main factor that allow this dual circulation strategy to function is the existence of a large domestic consumer market with sufficiently high purchasing power.

The end game is clear. Which is why the panic from firms like Boeing and ASML.
 
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davidau

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FangYuan said:
In reality, it's not. Foreigners here are mainly Eu and North America, countries that are prejudiced against China. Buying parts from them is like buying someone's noose to hang yourself. And the West can use any excuse to block supply if the two sides come into conflict, or they simply want to destroy China, the same way they nearly brought ZTE to bankruptcy and got Huawei in trouble.

Instead of buying parts from the West in the hope that the West will accept the C-919, China should manufacture 100% of the components domestically, then perfect the C-919 to meet international standards. Foreign approval or not, is not so important.
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Yeah you can never depend on unreliable suppliers who put the noose around your neck as they please to gain political and economic leverages. Sucks! Better do your own hard yakka and make C 919 all China designed and China made.
 
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sndef888

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China is trying to emulate the success with the HSR, at first using foreign made, then joint development and finally complete indigenisation, then surpassing the foreign models.

The issue is the West has begun taking a combative stance on China so it's unsure whether the process will go smoothly.

Imo once the first batch (~100 planes) are finished it will be too late for the US to stop the process
 
by78

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Inside the assembly hall.

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