China Should look into the PD-14 as a stopgap till the CJ-1000A is complete.
COMAC C919
- Thread starter Deino
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this has to be a joke.. right
CJ-1000 airborne testing has begun. its already been 10 months. engine is just 2/3 years away from small scale production. you will see CJ-1000 mounted on C919 wings after 2025..
Yes but if the US decides to cut the LEAP off before the demand could be met by the CJ-1000 production output alone, the Russians would be a good alternative until mass production of the CJ-1000A has been achieved.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
So to solve a potential future supply chain issue, you think they should lash the C919 to an unproven unreliable supply chain?
C919 is today highly westernized with the engines just being the most obvious and if you haven’t heard Russia is persona non grata with regard’s to the west. If you put Russian engines under C919 you basically create the very problem you are arguing to solve as the engines are solved but the other systems are terminated. You might as well push to buy MC21s
The Russians won't be able to manufacture the PD-14 engine at a fast enough rate for their own demands in the near future. Let alone for export. There was originally a plan to make new production facilities, and that was when the PD-14 was expected to only be used in half of the orders for the MC-21, but those new production facilities were never built.
Like others have said if all goes well the CJ-1000 should be in serial production in 2 years. So there should be no need to import the PD-14 for C919.
Like others have said if all goes well the CJ-1000 should be in serial production in 2 years. So there should be no need to import the PD-14 for C919.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
And Again that’s focused only on the Engines. The Horses of the cart. Not considering the Reigns and the axels or the cart wheels. In the C919’s case it’s loaded with western avionics, western parts and components are integrated in almost every aspect of it from landing gear to life support. Without those it’s just an empty glider one that can’t even be rolled around as it would lack tires.
The LEAP engines could be replaced with time and energy but to get to a purely independent C919 would require atleast a decade of works (likely more) establishing a much wider aviation industry and supply chain. Reaching into every facet of the industry. Even then it’s still likely to depend on imports of sub components and resources. Much of which is still open to sanction.
The LEAP engines could be replaced with time and energy but to get to a purely independent C919 would require atleast a decade of works (likely more) establishing a much wider aviation industry and supply chain. Reaching into every facet of the industry. Even then it’s still likely to depend on imports of sub components and resources. Much of which is still open to sanction.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
This isn’t the early Cold War. The world has come a long way from the flying coffins of the Tu104.
You can’t just pull them from Y20 and bolt them into C919. Not all of them anyway. Sure a few parts but Y20 is a quad engine high wing military transport. It’s designed for a completely different purpose and type of flight than the regional/international sized narrow body airliner. Everything has to fit into the airframe. That means modifying them and certifying them that’s not an overnight thing especially if the Chinese want to certify for foreign flights.
Well, this is wrong. Engines are some of the very few directly imported parts on that aircraft. They are also by far the most complicated part. Most other stuff are produced by joint ventures in China and their equivalents (even if they are not entirely suitable for civilian aviation) exist in the military world.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Landing gear is German,
Breaks and Tires are Honeywell,
Parts of the Fuselage are American,
Flight recorder is GE,
Avionics are Rockwell Collin’s,
Weather Radar is American
Cabin pressure systems, fire monitoring American,
Auxiliary generator American,
De icing is French.
these are complicated systems and each was designed and modified to fit the 919.
don’t believe me? My short hand source. Sure they can be replaced but it takes time money and resources. Plus they again need to be tested and certified finally shifting into production.
Breaks and Tires are Honeywell,
Parts of the Fuselage are American,
Flight recorder is GE,
Avionics are Rockwell Collin’s,
Weather Radar is American
Cabin pressure systems, fire monitoring American,
Auxiliary generator American,
De icing is French.
these are complicated systems and each was designed and modified to fit the 919.
don’t believe me? My short hand source. Sure they can be replaced but it takes time money and resources. Plus they again need to be tested and certified finally shifting into production.