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CRRC has a project with TongLiao for a project that uses 500MW of wind power to produce hydrogen and then methanol.
Uses 75MW/150MWh electrochemical energy storage, 38 2000m3/h electroayzers and 280k ton methanol synthesis
Huge projects in China
CRRC has a project with TongLiao for a project that uses 500MW of wind power to produce hydrogen and then methanol.
Uses 75MW/150MWh electrochemical energy storage, 38 2000m3/h electroayzers and 280k ton methanol synthesis
Huge projects in China
In Jilin, We have a 250k ton of green methanol and 20k ton of green aviation fuel that's planned
phase 1 desires to aims to produce 100k ton of green methanol and associated transport, electrolysis, biomass carbon capture and infrastructure.
Full project require 6B RMB investment
And where do they get the carbon for making methanol with hydrogen? Carbon capture from coal power plants?
That is not "green".
It has its uses in a country which is poor in hydrocarbons but rich in coal like China. I just hate it how people greenwash its production.
currently, this is where they capture from, yes. They also get it from Biomass. Doesn't need to be the case going forward.
That literally is green
If that methanol is used as fuel that carbon still gets burned and put into the atmosphere. How is that green?
I am not a big fan of biomass either. It is dirty, plant residue is chock full of contaminants which get into the atmosphere when burned, and growing biomass wastes a lot of land area and water which could be used for growing food instead. It is a step backwards technologically and environmentally. You are going back to burning wood and plant waste from burning coal. Coal is much cleaner and less environmentally harmful. It does not lead to huge land use, or high air pollution like wood burning.
If in the long term we are to move away from carbon fossil fuels, all these schemes should go away.
I am not a big fan of biomass either. It is dirty, plant residue is chock full of contaminants which get into the atmosphere when burned, and growing biomass wastes a lot of land area and water which could be used for growing food instead. It is a step backwards technologically and environmentally. You are going back to burning wood and plant waste from burning coal. Coal is much cleaner and less environmentally harmful. It does not lead to huge land use, or high air pollution like wood burning.
If in the long term we are to move away from carbon fossil fuels, all these schemes should go away.
You have to proceed on downstream applications while upstream tech is being developed.
in the short term, you can use green methanol in ships and then recapture carbon from that to be used again to make more methanol.
Longer term, I am sure they will develop more tech to extract CO2 efficiently.