Civilian Aviation Technology
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Schumacher
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Good to see the US FAA seems to be making effort to facilitate with the certification of Chinese regional jets, instead of some conspiracy theories that they'll obstruct the project.
FAA opening as take-off nears for regional jet
In a move expected to boost US jet sales to China's fast-growing market, the Federal Aviation Administration has opened an office in Shanghai that will aid mainland manufacturers' efforts to get certification for their aircraft.
Saturday, March 10, 2007
In a move expected to boost US jet sales to China's fast-growing market, the Federal Aviation Administration has opened an office in Shanghai that will aid mainland manufacturers' efforts to get certification for their aircraft.
The new office initially will mainly support efforts by China's General Administration of Civil Aviation to meet safety standards and gain approval for its domestic jet, the ARJ-21, said John Hickey, director of the FAA's aircraft certification service.
Civil aviation authorities around the world usually follow the FAA's lead on safety issues, and certification is a crucial step for any new airliner.
Closer liaison will facilitate ties with many of the US companies that are working with China on the ARJ-21.
"This is certainly facilitating the exchange of aeronautical products between the United States and China," Hickey said
The ARJ-21 is part of China's efforts to design and build its own large aircraft, although foreign manufacturers are to supply 40 percent of its components. Current plans call for the engines for the mid-sized jet to come from General Electric.
Rockwell Collins is expected to supply the cockpit, Parker Hannifin Corp the fuel system and Honeywell International the avionics.
The ARJ-21, China's first homegrown jet airliner with a capacity for 70-100 passengers, is due to begin production by the end of the year, with the first test flights scheduled for next March, said Zheng Qiang, a vice president of China Aviation Industry Corp I, the state-owned manufacturer also known as AVIC I.
The jet maker said China is expected to receive a total of 71 orders for the ARJ-21 by next month, but the 6 billion yuan (HK$6.05 billion) project may take up to 15 years to break even.
AVICI Commercial Aircraft, the commercial arm of AVIC I, has already secured 41 firm orders for the ARJ21 from domestic carriers, while a local leasing company will sign for 30 more next month, Zheng said. ASSOCIATED PRESS, REUTERS
FAA opening as take-off nears for regional jet
In a move expected to boost US jet sales to China's fast-growing market, the Federal Aviation Administration has opened an office in Shanghai that will aid mainland manufacturers' efforts to get certification for their aircraft.
Saturday, March 10, 2007
In a move expected to boost US jet sales to China's fast-growing market, the Federal Aviation Administration has opened an office in Shanghai that will aid mainland manufacturers' efforts to get certification for their aircraft.
The new office initially will mainly support efforts by China's General Administration of Civil Aviation to meet safety standards and gain approval for its domestic jet, the ARJ-21, said John Hickey, director of the FAA's aircraft certification service.
Civil aviation authorities around the world usually follow the FAA's lead on safety issues, and certification is a crucial step for any new airliner.
Closer liaison will facilitate ties with many of the US companies that are working with China on the ARJ-21.
"This is certainly facilitating the exchange of aeronautical products between the United States and China," Hickey said
The ARJ-21 is part of China's efforts to design and build its own large aircraft, although foreign manufacturers are to supply 40 percent of its components. Current plans call for the engines for the mid-sized jet to come from General Electric.
Rockwell Collins is expected to supply the cockpit, Parker Hannifin Corp the fuel system and Honeywell International the avionics.
The ARJ-21, China's first homegrown jet airliner with a capacity for 70-100 passengers, is due to begin production by the end of the year, with the first test flights scheduled for next March, said Zheng Qiang, a vice president of China Aviation Industry Corp I, the state-owned manufacturer also known as AVIC I.
The jet maker said China is expected to receive a total of 71 orders for the ARJ-21 by next month, but the 6 billion yuan (HK$6.05 billion) project may take up to 15 years to break even.
AVICI Commercial Aircraft, the commercial arm of AVIC I, has already secured 41 firm orders for the ARJ21 from domestic carriers, while a local leasing company will sign for 30 more next month, Zheng said. ASSOCIATED PRESS, REUTERS
Schumacher
Senior Member
Title : Boeing chief executive warns of commercial threat from China
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Date : 11 March 2007 0010 hrs (SST)
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BERLIN : China will soon be threatening major Western aircraft makers, Boeing boss James McNerney said in an interview with German weekly Der Spiegel to be published on Sunday.
Warning that it was wrong to think that there would only ever be Boeing and Airbus in competition, McNerney was quoted as saying, "The Chinese have well-trained people, a strong spirit of enterprise and an enormous domestic market."
McNerney said the US manufacturer had learned its lesson after failing to heed the threat from its European rival.
"We were market leaders and we went to sleep, instead of staying wide awake," he added.
Asked about Airbus's current problems, stemming in part from difficulties with its giant A380 airliner, McNerney said the two companies had different views of where the market lay.
"We believe the future is with smaller aircraft capable of flying long distances between medium-sized cities, rather than in the development of large hubs" favoured by Airbus, he said.
But McNerney added that the A380 was "a marvellous airplane, very exciting from a technological view," Der Spiegel said. - AFP/ch
By :
Date : 11 March 2007 0010 hrs (SST)
URL :
BERLIN : China will soon be threatening major Western aircraft makers, Boeing boss James McNerney said in an interview with German weekly Der Spiegel to be published on Sunday.
Warning that it was wrong to think that there would only ever be Boeing and Airbus in competition, McNerney was quoted as saying, "The Chinese have well-trained people, a strong spirit of enterprise and an enormous domestic market."
McNerney said the US manufacturer had learned its lesson after failing to heed the threat from its European rival.
"We were market leaders and we went to sleep, instead of staying wide awake," he added.
Asked about Airbus's current problems, stemming in part from difficulties with its giant A380 airliner, McNerney said the two companies had different views of where the market lay.
"We believe the future is with smaller aircraft capable of flying long distances between medium-sized cities, rather than in the development of large hubs" favoured by Airbus, he said.
But McNerney added that the A380 was "a marvellous airplane, very exciting from a technological view," Der Spiegel said. - AFP/ch
coolieno99
Junior Member
more news on the AR-21 regional jet:
AmiGanguli
Junior Member
I didn't notice this here yet:
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In another article (I can't remember where) it was noted that it took Airbus 40 years to develop a full line of jets.
Airbus and Boeing are in an odd position. China insists that they manufacture locally and work on technology transfer in order to cash in on the huge Chinese market, but of course they're contributing to building up what will eventually be a competitor.
The Chinese really know how to push their weight around (and good for them, IMHO).
... Ami.
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In another article (I can't remember where) it was noted that it took Airbus 40 years to develop a full line of jets.
Airbus and Boeing are in an odd position. China insists that they manufacture locally and work on technology transfer in order to cash in on the huge Chinese market, but of course they're contributing to building up what will eventually be a competitor.
The Chinese really know how to push their weight around (and good for them, IMHO).
... Ami.
Indeed, for the reasons you stated I believe it a mistake that Airbus signed an agreement to build plants and manufacture planes in China.
On the short term, it might boost production orders for a potentially huge market (China). In the long run, there will rise a third competitor (even faster) in a branch were two are already too much.
Becuase of the huge costs for developing new big passenger aircraft, Airbus and Boeing already are being highly subsidized by their respective governments.
On the short term, it might boost production orders for a potentially huge market (China). In the long run, there will rise a third competitor (even faster) in a branch were two are already too much.
Becuase of the huge costs for developing new big passenger aircraft, Airbus and Boeing already are being highly subsidized by their respective governments.
interesting enough, Be-103 after the initial delivery is now being assembled in Jilin according to this latest article.
Talks about 3 steps:
First step involves assembling 6 Be-103
Second step starts to use domestic parts
Third step is complete indigenization of the plane
Looks like there is no military value here. I wonder how the Be-200 deal is going along
Talks about 3 steps:
First step involves assembling 6 Be-103
Second step starts to use domestic parts
Third step is complete indigenization of the plane
Looks like there is no military value here. I wonder how the Be-200 deal is going along
Schumacher
Senior Member
As part of the large plane project, China has started construction of the world's largest press forge to be completed in abt 2 yrs.
China builds world's largest press forge, paves way for jumbo planes
CHENGDU, Dec. 7 (Xinhua) -- China has started the building of an 80,000-ton press forge in Deyang, the southwestern Sichuan Province, paving the way for making large planes, a longtime dream of the nation.
The project, with an investment of 1.517 billion yuan (204.7 million U.S. dollars), has won the approval of the National Development and Reform Commission and is expected to be the world's largest when it is finished in two and a half years, said Zeng Xiangdong, project director and vice general manager of China National Erzhong Group Co. on Friday.
A large die-hydraulic press forge is one of the key instruments in making jumbo planes. Only a few countries, including the United States, Russia and France, have such facilities, according to Zeng.
The current largest press forge is 75,000-tons and is owned by Russia. All the press forges currently in China are below 40,000 tons, which are unfit for making key parts of very large planes and hence hinder the development of the aviation industry, equipment and manufacturing.
Chen Xiaoci, vice director of the press forge project, said the machine is designed by China National Erzhong Group and built in the company's compound.
The company has produced more than 400,000 die-forgings during the past 30-odd years for China's aviation industry, used in all the models of Chinese airplanes.
China started to build very large aircraft in 1970, only two years after Airbus went into production, but the project was later shelved despite a promising start.
After a decades-long suspension, the central government last year revived the blueprint in the 11th five-year plan (2006-2010) in order to meet the country's growing demand for air travel.
To prepare for the very large plane project, China began building its own regional jet, the ARJ-21 -- meaning "advanced regional jet for the 21st century" -- in 2002.
Only the United States, Russia, France, Germany, Britain and Spain currently have the ability to build very large aircraft, with the United State's Boeing and Europe's Airbus taking the lion's share of the international market.
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China builds world's largest press forge, paves way for jumbo planes
CHENGDU, Dec. 7 (Xinhua) -- China has started the building of an 80,000-ton press forge in Deyang, the southwestern Sichuan Province, paving the way for making large planes, a longtime dream of the nation.
The project, with an investment of 1.517 billion yuan (204.7 million U.S. dollars), has won the approval of the National Development and Reform Commission and is expected to be the world's largest when it is finished in two and a half years, said Zeng Xiangdong, project director and vice general manager of China National Erzhong Group Co. on Friday.
A large die-hydraulic press forge is one of the key instruments in making jumbo planes. Only a few countries, including the United States, Russia and France, have such facilities, according to Zeng.
The current largest press forge is 75,000-tons and is owned by Russia. All the press forges currently in China are below 40,000 tons, which are unfit for making key parts of very large planes and hence hinder the development of the aviation industry, equipment and manufacturing.
Chen Xiaoci, vice director of the press forge project, said the machine is designed by China National Erzhong Group and built in the company's compound.
The company has produced more than 400,000 die-forgings during the past 30-odd years for China's aviation industry, used in all the models of Chinese airplanes.
China started to build very large aircraft in 1970, only two years after Airbus went into production, but the project was later shelved despite a promising start.
After a decades-long suspension, the central government last year revived the blueprint in the 11th five-year plan (2006-2010) in order to meet the country's growing demand for air travel.
To prepare for the very large plane project, China began building its own regional jet, the ARJ-21 -- meaning "advanced regional jet for the 21st century" -- in 2002.
Only the United States, Russia, France, Germany, Britain and Spain currently have the ability to build very large aircraft, with the United State's Boeing and Europe's Airbus taking the lion's share of the international market.
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