Chinese UAV/UCAV development

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tankphobia

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When it comes to drones people tend to not realise the size of them. I think no cockpit and the fact that many drones look similar is to blame.

WJ-700 is an absolute beast, it's also turbojet driven. Not comparible to your typical cheap turboprop predator clone.

For an American version you would need to add a zero to end of the price.
Armed turbojet plane probably makes more sense in peer-peer conflicts in comparison to predators-esq drones which are more useful for COIN operations due to lower operation costs, we may see more fancy drones from US now that they're committing to the pivot to Asia.
 

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AVIC Morning Star.

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Having twin fuselages allows for greater wingspan and more room to mount solar panels, allowing for greater lift as well as endurance, range, and power.
 

Shadow_Whomel

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Do you have a source? I ask because Algeria is speculated (all but confirmed) to have placed a further order for CH-4s (see my last post). I wonder if this got confused with the WJ-700 order. It's of course entirely possible that Algeria had placed orders for both systems.
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tankphobia

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AVIC Morning Star.

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Having twin fuselages allows for greater wingspan and more room to mount solar panels, allowing for greater lift as well as endurance, range, and power.
Is this China's first foray into ultra long endurance/ pseudo-satellite UAVs? Current world record is held by airbus zephyr with 64 days of continuous flight time. Biggest challenge to overcome is the long wind span causing even mild wind to exert a massive amount of force on the frame. If successful it can become a powerful semi-permanent relay station/ISR platform.
 

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Is this China's first foray into ultra long endurance/ pseudo-satellite UAVs? Current world record is held by airbus zephyr with 64 days of continuous flight time. Biggest challenge to overcome is the long wind span causing even mild wind to exert a massive amount of force on the frame. If successful it can become a powerful semi-permanent relay station/ISR platform.
I think there's also a lot of potential in utilising dynamic soaring to extract energy for flight from any airspeed differential, including the inherent differential of being close to the ocean's surface. This method is how albatrosses are able to fly thousands of kilometres using barely any energy. A possible flight profile could be a more rugged framed solar aircraft sea-skimming for most of the day using barely any energy while charging its batteries, then as the day ends beginning a solar powered climb to maximum altitude, then slowly gliding down on battery power throughout the night until sunlight comes back. Another way of getting more energy is to use thermals and other wind differentials over land, something glider pilots have been doing for a long time and which could conceivably be automated with modern AI vision for terrain analysis. Even with current efficiency thin film solar cells and current density batteries, perpetual flight is possible, as in the physics checks out without needing a gossamer frame and no payload - if you can find a way to extract energy from atmospheric differentials to give your batteries time to charge during near-zero energy expenditure. Basically, if you get AI to utilise dynamic soaring, thermals etc, you can make a perpetual flight drone. If you can get more energy dense batteries and weight/space efficient solar cells, it just give you more payload capacity and ability to conduct tasks dynamically.
 

tankphobia

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I think there's also a lot of potential in utilising dynamic soaring to extract energy for flight from any airspeed differential, including the inherent differential of being close to the ocean's surface. This method is how albatrosses are able to fly thousands of kilometres using barely any energy. A possible flight profile could be a more rugged framed solar aircraft sea-skimming for most of the day using barely any energy while charging its batteries, then as the day ends beginning a solar powered climb to maximum altitude, then slowly gliding down on battery power throughout the night until sunlight comes back. Another way of getting more energy is to use thermals and other wind differentials over land, something glider pilots have been doing for a long time and which could conceivably be automated with modern AI vision for terrain analysis. Even with current efficiency thin film solar cells and current density batteries, perpetual flight is possible, as in the physics checks out without needing a gossamer frame and no payload - if you can find a way to extract energy from atmospheric differentials to give your batteries time to charge during near-zero energy expenditure. Basically, if you get AI to utilise dynamic soaring, thermals etc, you can make a perpetual flight drone. If you can get more energy dense batteries and weight/space efficient solar cells, it just give you more payload capacity and ability to conduct tasks dynamically.
I think the main advantage of the high altitude is that once you get to a certain height, there just isn't that much wind to wreck the aircraft's day, once you're above the cloud layer, the UAV will get uninterrupted solar power until night time in which the batteries take over. Conversely for a lower flying solar UAV, it only takes one cloudy/stormy day to destroy solar panel efficiency and thus battery reserve, so it may be preferable to just avoid the fluctuation and go with purely high altitude to begin with. Higher altitude also enables longer range for ISR/Relay purposes.

A low altitude, rugged ,waterproof UAV that can autonomously land in the water in rough seas then automatically recharge, take off and resume mission is definitely achievable and viable as a maritime surveillance platform though.

In my mind it's something like this but solar powered and not vaporware.
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taxiya

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Is this China's first foray into ultra long endurance/ pseudo-satellite UAVs? Current world record is held by airbus zephyr with 64 days of continuous flight time. Biggest challenge to overcome is the long wind span causing even mild wind to exert a massive amount of force on the frame. If successful it can become a powerful semi-permanent relay station/ISR platform.
No, this Morning Star is a "production version" of "Rainbow solar UAV" which was a prototype tested in 2017. It has been discussed back then. The two looks very close.

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彩虹太阳能无人机是目前我国研制的尺寸最大、续航时间最长的临近空间无人机,核心关键技术和设备已经全部实现国产化。该机载重能力不亚于美国同类太阳能无人机,它的诞生标志我国临近空间太阳能无人机技术已经跻身世界先进水平。在此基础之上,很快大型高性能实用化的太阳能无人机将会翱翔于天空。

Back in 2017, it was said that Rainbow is a prototype, "实用化" means practical or production. This Morning Star is the outcome.

The improvements are:
  1. 8 engines to 6 engines
  2. reduced upward angle of wing tip
  3. Vertical stabilizer.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Some screen captures of a video that I cannot locate. It shows weapons test from a WJ-700 UAV. The video also mentions an order worth ¥1 billion ($145 million) had been placed for the drone by a foreign customer.

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I can't estimate size well. Those look like ATGM sized munitions.

What's the limit on ASM sized munitions being carried by a larger drone, if any?
 
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