Chinese Trainer Aircraft (JL-8, JL-9, JL-10 (L-15), etc.)

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Gentlemen, since we are talking about trainers, I wanted to get your opinion regarding the jet trainer produced in Argentina. Specifically the AT-63 Pampa. The aircraft has been upgraded with assistance from Lockheed Martin and includes a fully upgraded cockpit and modern avionics suite. The Trainer was presented its new configuration at the Paris Air Show and is now offering it to customers worldwide.

The Argentine Air Force signed an agreement with Military Planes Manufacturer (FMA) of Cordoba for the purchase of 18 AT-63- the production began in 2003. The aircrafts manufacturing cost is around 6 million dollars and is being offered to Colombia, Greece and Venezuela with no takers yet.

The new generation AT-63 maintains the ease of maintenance and airframe stability of the original version, produced in the late 1980’s as the IA-63, while adding advanced upgrades, larger power plant and additional combat capabilities.

Some of the new AT-63 features include:
A Honeywell TFE-731-2C turbofan engine with 3,500 pounds of thrust.
A state-of-the-art avionics suite with a Digital 1553B MIL STD data bus, full systems redundancy, a glass cockpit, laser ring INS/GPS NAV, a mission computer and an integrated weapons system. This system is being designed and furnished by Elbit Systems, Ltd., Israel
Fully pressurized dual control cabin with a one-piece canopy. The ejection sequence for the two zero-zero seats can be pre-selected.
Four under wing plus one under fuselage weapons stations enabling air-to-air and air-to-ground light attack capability for around 1,600kg.

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Wow, L-15 06 (with afterburn engines) Came Off The Line

Is PLAAF Going To Buy It?

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A.Man said:

Wow, L-15 06 (with afterburn engines) Came Off The Line

Is PLAAF Going To Buy It?

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are you ever going to attempt to post pictures and translate these articles instead of just posting links from military.china.com?

报讯 6月10日，国产猎鹰高教机加力型(06架)实现部装交付，在中航工业洪都举行了隆重的部装交付仪式。

　　猎鹰飞机从设计之初就采用了系列化发展的思路，现阶段教练型分为AJT(高级教练)和LIFT(战斗入门训练)递进的两种状态。LIFT状态采用加力发动机并增加与战术训练相关的系统和设备，飞机主要承担战术飞行和作战使用等训练科目，有效减少飞行学员在同型教练机上的改装训练时间，同时飞机还可进入作战部队承担伴随训练任务，用于飞行员的技能恢复与保持训练。

　　猎鹰高教机06架是为满足L15高教机LIFT状态设计技术鉴定要求而研制的。该型机配装了AI-222K-25F加力发动机，机头加大加长，座舱改为前舱“一平三下”、后舱“三下”，并对其它系统和结构进行适应性改进。

　　猎鹰06架于2009年8月正式获准开展研制工作。2010年元月，通过改进设计评审，3月3日实现开铆，部装阶段历经99天。其中，在部装进入冲刺阶段时，总装已经提前进入状态，准备总装零件、导管、电缆等，完成了总装二级网络图编制和工艺准备。猎鹰06架有望在2010年9月实现首飞，计划于今年参加珠海航展并做飞行表演。(许珊)

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baiscally, L-15 06 is out. It uses AI-222K-25F with afterburners, have longer and larger nose cone from radar. Cockpit arrangement has 1 up 3 down in front and 3 down in the back. All of the auxiliary systems and structures have undergone improvement.

The design passed review on Jaunary. They basically started assembly on March 3rd. That process lasted 99 days. They wish to do first flight of this in September and showcase it in zhuhai airshow.

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tphuang said:

are you ever going to attempt to post pictures and translate these articles instead of just posting links from military.china.com?


baiscally, L-15 06 is out. It uses AI-222K-25F with afterburners, have longer and larger nose cone from radar. Cockpit arrangement has 1 up 3 down in front and 3 down in the back. All of the auxiliary systems and structures have undergone improvement.

The design passed review on Jaunary. They basically started assembly on March 3rd. That process lasted 99 days. They wish to do first flight of this in September and showcase it in zhuhai airshow.

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A question if you don't mind, it's understandable they spent three months assembling this prototype, coordinating with suppliers of components from all over the country etc. But why does it take another three months for them to get to the test flight part? I thought this prototype is built for flying with afterburner in the first place.

Thanks in advance.

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this says that Burma is buying 50 K-8s. This could be the contract for ToT and local production for 60 K-8s that were mentioned last year for K-8s. I know the numbers aren't the same, but it was mentioned at that time by certain people that Burma was the mysterious Asian country.

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I read on CDF that they also bought a bunch of Mig-29s from Russia. One can only wonder where they got all the money from to so vastly improve its air force arsenal all of a sudden.

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Maggern said:

I read on CDF that they also bought a bunch of Mig-29s from Russia. One can only wonder where they got all the money from to so vastly improve its air force arsenal all of a sudden.

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Burma has a vast amount of mineral and oil wealth, along with other resources like timber, rice, precious metals etc. that's where they get their money from, although it seems nowadays China is more willing to give out loans to countries to purchase their military equipment like was done recently in Venezuela nad Pakistan.

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First L-15 With Afterburner Engines Off Assembly Line

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新华网南昌８月１８日电（记者胡锦武）中航工业江西洪都集团１５日召开“猎鹰”Ｌ１５高级教练机（出口型）转小批量生产数字化设计动员大会，标志着“猎鹰”正式进入小批量生产阶段，实现了型号研制工作由设计向工艺、制造全面转移。同时，“猎鹰”Ｌ１５高教机０６架（加力型）也实现总装下线，计划在今年９月实现首飞。
　　据了解，小批量生产飞机以２００９年实现首飞的０５架ＡＪＴ状态（高级教练）为基础，对机体结构、起落架装置、燃油系统、航电系统等进行适应性修改，并计划于今年１２月３０日完成飞机改进优化和数字化设计，提升飞机设计能力。实现批量生产之后，Ｌ１５将与Ｋ８、教８飞机衔接，形成教练机产品完整的产业链。
　　“猎鹰”飞机按照“一机多型”的系列化发展思路，分为ＡＪＴ（高级教练）和ＬＩＦＴ（战斗入门训练）两种状态。“猎鹰”０６架是为满足ＬＩＦＴ状态设计技术鉴定要求而研制，配装了加力型发动机，机头加大加长，改良了座舱，并对其他系统和结构进行了适应性改进。

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talking about the new L-15 06 prototype. It is the first one with afterburner I guess and they are planning to have first flight in september. This is move toward low rate production period.

prototype 05 is considered to be AJT, this is considered to be LIFT.

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The new 06 prototype looks more and more like an actual fighter and less and less than just a trainer. Right now the 06 prototype is probably only a little shorter than the F-5E. I wonder what sort of fire control radar Hongdu hopes to put in that enlarged nose of theirs.

Its still pretty expensive though, if Hongdu is trying market this as both a trainer and try to market the L-15 as a light fighter then they will probably need to look into ways to reduce cost as aircraft like the FC-1 are already being marketed to countries looking for affordable fighter aircraft.