Chinese Trainer Aircraft (JL-8, JL-9, JL-10 (L-15), etc.)
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Semi-Lobster
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Re: JL-15 and other trainers
Can you specifiy what is 'a lot better'? Something new from the trials? Last thing I heard was continued small improvements like MLS and a stability control augmentation system.
I think the L-15 would be a better plane for the PLANAF but for the PLAAF it seems the JL-9 is doing very well for itself.
Can you specifiy what is 'a lot better'? Something new from the trials? Last thing I heard was continued small improvements like MLS and a stability control augmentation system.
I think the L-15 would be a better plane for the PLANAF but for the PLAAF it seems the JL-9 is doing very well for itself.
Re: JL-15 and other trainers
no, I don't. It seemed in the beginning that JL-9 had little chance with PLAAF given Hongdu's reputation from K-8. But it seems like working with Yakolev actually reinforced certain people's view inside PLAAF that Hongdu can develop its own planes. And I think if they put the latest Kunlun engines on JL-9 and improve its avionics, it can be quite useful.
no, I don't. It seemed in the beginning that JL-9 had little chance with PLAAF given Hongdu's reputation from K-8. But it seems like working with Yakolev actually reinforced certain people's view inside PLAAF that Hongdu can develop its own planes. And I think if they put the latest Kunlun engines on JL-9 and improve its avionics, it can be quite useful.
Semi-Lobster
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Re: JL-15 and other trainers
Indeed, and I see the JL-9 being far more exportable than the L-15 since all the parts are Chinese and being a much cheaper and simpler aircraft operate. It seems that ever since 2006 when everything was basically completed there have been a never ending series of small improvements made to the JL-9 that make it seem more viable compared to the L-15 which is still not really complete yet as far as I know. It always seemed strange to me that they opted not go for the WP-13BII and instead for the less powerful WP-13F, I guess they knew from the very start it would only be 'temporary' placeholder for the WP-14, although for a trainer where service life is usually the main area of concern the rumoured WS-12 turbofan might be an equally valid choice. I wonder when they finally make a decision and finally begin retiring those JJ-6 and older JJ-7s, its been 9 years since the JL-9 project was started and 3 years since it was 'completed'.
Indeed, and I see the JL-9 being far more exportable than the L-15 since all the parts are Chinese and being a much cheaper and simpler aircraft operate. It seems that ever since 2006 when everything was basically completed there have been a never ending series of small improvements made to the JL-9 that make it seem more viable compared to the L-15 which is still not really complete yet as far as I know. It always seemed strange to me that they opted not go for the WP-13BII and instead for the less powerful WP-13F, I guess they knew from the very start it would only be 'temporary' placeholder for the WP-14, although for a trainer where service life is usually the main area of concern the rumoured WS-12 turbofan might be an equally valid choice. I wonder when they finally make a decision and finally begin retiring those JJ-6 and older JJ-7s, its been 9 years since the JL-9 project was started and 3 years since it was 'completed'.
Semi-Lobster
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Semi-Lobster
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Re: JL-15 and other trainers
Since nobody mentioned this in the past two month:
Looks like the company nobody heard of came out of the blue and snatched up Grob. Also here
the light buisness jet was also part of the deal and is still going forward.
Since nobody mentioned this in the past two month:
Looks like the company nobody heard of came out of the blue and snatched up Grob. Also here
the light buisness jet was also part of the deal and is still going forward.
Re: JL-15 and other trainers
L-15 05 had its maiden flight, I'm not really sure what changed from 03. Apparently, it's using DV-2 for engine, so AI-225 is not ready yet. It says that it will be flown out of the country to an airshow in November.
中国L-15“猎鹰”高级教练机05架今日首飞成功
2009年06月08日 中国广播网
2009年6月8日10：20分，我国自主研制的猎鹰L15高级教练机05架在江西省南昌市青云谱机场首飞成功，这标志着由中航工业江西洪都航空工业集团有限责任公司（简称中航工业洪都）承担的猎鹰L15飞机研制工作即将转入鉴定试飞阶段。中国航空工业集团公司党组书记、总经理林左鸣亲临首飞仪式并下达放飞命令。
上午9时58分，跑道上传来发动机巨大的轰鸣声，紧接着，只见一架蓝白相间涂装、带有猎鹰05标识的高级教练机，从跑道的北端象一支离弦之箭冲出起飞线，昂首飞上了祖国的蓝天。飞机在不同高度两次通场，飞行持续20分钟后，加入降落航线，以一个漂亮的大迎角安全着陆。
执行此次飞行任务的首席飞行员杨耀、郭彦波在中航工业洪都集团职工的簇拥下健步走向观礼台，向林左鸣总经理报告05架飞机首次飞行按计划完成，飞机各系统工作一切正常。林左鸣总经理现场致辞，向试飞员和洪都集团广大干部职工表示热烈祝贺，现场顿时欢腾起来，共同庆祝猎鹰05架首飞成功。
随着猎鹰L15高级教练机05架飞机的首飞成功，中航工业洪都已拥有01、03、05三架猎鹰L15试飞样机。目前01架、03架试飞样机已开展一系列科研试飞，结果显示飞机各系统工作正常、优良气动平台和飞行性能得到验证。猎鹰05架针对使用维护要求进一步优化，更加贴近用户的使用需求。经过适量调整试飞后的05架，即将与03架飞机一起进入鉴定试飞阶段并在今年完成AJT状态基本型的技术鉴定。
猎鹰L15高级教练机从设计之初就采用了系列化发展的思路。现阶段教练型包括AJT（高级教练）和LIFT（战斗入门训练）两种状态。AJT状态采用非加力发动机，主要承担提高飞行技术和基本战术训练任务。LIFT状态采用加力发动机并增加与战术训练相关的系统和设备，飞机主要承担战术飞行和作战使用等训练科目。在03架、05架飞机进行AJT状态基本型技术鉴定的同时，中航工业洪都也正加紧L15飞机LIFT状态的研制工作。
猎鹰高级教练机的研发是在新作战环境和先进作战飞机服役对飞行员的训练提出更高需求的背景下展开的。该飞机具有优良的气动平台并配以三轴四余度电传飞控系统，能够低成本复现作战飞机的飞行性能，具有与新一代战斗机相似的飞行性能和机动性，能够满足飞行员的训练需求；采用两台涡轮风扇发动机和系统的备份设计使猎鹰具有更高的安全性和可靠性；其高达10000飞行小时的使用寿命和低的全寿命周期费用，可以大幅度减少飞行员的训练费用。该型飞机具有较强的发展潜力，能够满足未来不断拓展的用户需求，能够实现立足现在、面向未来、系列化发展的设计理念。
据悉，猎鹰05架飞机将于今年11月份飞出国门，参加迪拜国际航展并做飞行表演，向海外客商展示猎鹰的优良性能，积极拓展国际市场。（郭淼）
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L-15 05 had its maiden flight, I'm not really sure what changed from 03. Apparently, it's using DV-2 for engine, so AI-225 is not ready yet. It says that it will be flown out of the country to an airshow in November.
中国L-15“猎鹰”高级教练机05架今日首飞成功
2009年06月08日 中国广播网
2009年6月8日10：20分，我国自主研制的猎鹰L15高级教练机05架在江西省南昌市青云谱机场首飞成功，这标志着由中航工业江西洪都航空工业集团有限责任公司（简称中航工业洪都）承担的猎鹰L15飞机研制工作即将转入鉴定试飞阶段。中国航空工业集团公司党组书记、总经理林左鸣亲临首飞仪式并下达放飞命令。
上午9时58分，跑道上传来发动机巨大的轰鸣声，紧接着，只见一架蓝白相间涂装、带有猎鹰05标识的高级教练机，从跑道的北端象一支离弦之箭冲出起飞线，昂首飞上了祖国的蓝天。飞机在不同高度两次通场，飞行持续20分钟后，加入降落航线，以一个漂亮的大迎角安全着陆。
执行此次飞行任务的首席飞行员杨耀、郭彦波在中航工业洪都集团职工的簇拥下健步走向观礼台，向林左鸣总经理报告05架飞机首次飞行按计划完成，飞机各系统工作一切正常。林左鸣总经理现场致辞，向试飞员和洪都集团广大干部职工表示热烈祝贺，现场顿时欢腾起来，共同庆祝猎鹰05架首飞成功。
随着猎鹰L15高级教练机05架飞机的首飞成功，中航工业洪都已拥有01、03、05三架猎鹰L15试飞样机。目前01架、03架试飞样机已开展一系列科研试飞，结果显示飞机各系统工作正常、优良气动平台和飞行性能得到验证。猎鹰05架针对使用维护要求进一步优化，更加贴近用户的使用需求。经过适量调整试飞后的05架，即将与03架飞机一起进入鉴定试飞阶段并在今年完成AJT状态基本型的技术鉴定。
猎鹰L15高级教练机从设计之初就采用了系列化发展的思路。现阶段教练型包括AJT（高级教练）和LIFT（战斗入门训练）两种状态。AJT状态采用非加力发动机，主要承担提高飞行技术和基本战术训练任务。LIFT状态采用加力发动机并增加与战术训练相关的系统和设备，飞机主要承担战术飞行和作战使用等训练科目。在03架、05架飞机进行AJT状态基本型技术鉴定的同时，中航工业洪都也正加紧L15飞机LIFT状态的研制工作。
猎鹰高级教练机的研发是在新作战环境和先进作战飞机服役对飞行员的训练提出更高需求的背景下展开的。该飞机具有优良的气动平台并配以三轴四余度电传飞控系统，能够低成本复现作战飞机的飞行性能，具有与新一代战斗机相似的飞行性能和机动性，能够满足飞行员的训练需求；采用两台涡轮风扇发动机和系统的备份设计使猎鹰具有更高的安全性和可靠性；其高达10000飞行小时的使用寿命和低的全寿命周期费用，可以大幅度减少飞行员的训练费用。该型飞机具有较强的发展潜力，能够满足未来不断拓展的用户需求，能够实现立足现在、面向未来、系列化发展的设计理念。
据悉，猎鹰05架飞机将于今年11月份飞出国门，参加迪拜国际航展并做飞行表演，向海外客商展示猎鹰的优良性能，积极拓展国际市场。（郭淼）
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danielchin
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Re: JL-15 and other trainers
The report says the L-15 05 is going to attend the Dubai International air show and do some flying demo this November.
05 has optimised its maintainance/service requirement to meet customers' requests, according to it.
Both 03 & 05 are of AJ T design, but the LIF T prototype fitted with afterbuner is said also underway.
The report says the L-15 05 is going to attend the Dubai International air show and do some flying demo this November.
05 has optimised its maintainance/service requirement to meet customers' requests, according to it.
Both 03 & 05 are of AJ T design, but the LIF T prototype fitted with afterbuner is said also underway.
Semi-Lobster
Junior Member
Re: JL-15 and other trainers
The DV-2 still? I would have thought by now the AI-222K-25F would have been ready for flight testing. the JL-9 has been done more or less for a year now (although it a much simpler aircraft)
The DV-2 still? I would have thought by now the AI-222K-25F would have been ready for flight testing. the JL-9 has been done more or less for a year now (although it a much simpler aircraft)
