Chinese tradition, ceremony,culture

solarz

Brigadier
These people are hobbyists, they are still working on the historical accuracy aspect. Maybe demonstrating in robes was just out of convenience?

Here's a promo of the Xitang hanfu cultural festival. The fighting demo at 1:27 and 2:02 uses armour.

The horseman armor at 0:21 looks to be Qin-Han.

The rest of the civilian robes look to be mostly Song dynasty, except near the end (4:06) where it looks to be Tang. No Ming representation?

Love the red wedding dress and the Tang-style makeup.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Interestingly his regular customer are overseas Chinese(Singaporean) at min 13:00 who still appreciate and practice the old custom like Chiu Thau (coming of age) and LapChai(exchanging of the gift) I think Japanese also practice this custom until today

Several rituals and rites take place during these twelve days to bless
the marriage, and they reflect traditional values prized by the Peranakan Chinese including
family loyalty, fertility, poise, respect for one’s elders and chastity.
Some of these rituals are:
About a month before the wedding, the Lap Chai ceremony takes place on an auspicious date.
This ceremony involves the exchange of gifts, with well-intentioned, symbolic meanings,
between the two families and marks the engagement of the couple.

On the eve of the wedding, the Chiu Thau ceremony occurs. This hair-combing ceremony is
regarded as the one of most significant wedding rite as this was when the bride and groom
would be initiated into adulthood. The ceremony takes place separately for the couple in their
respective homes at an auspicious hour. With their hair uncombed, they sit on a symbolic set-up
representing their entry into the world of adulthood. Ceremonial objects were waved over their
head to remind the bride/groom of the duties and responsibilities of adult life.

A beautiful song by David Tan with Chinese beauty wearing Hanfu
 

solarz

Brigadier
Interestingly his regular customer are overseas Chinese(Singaporean) at min 13:00 who still appreciate and practice the old custom like Chiu Thau (coming of age) and LapChai(exchanging of the gift) I think Japanese also practice this custom until today

Several rituals and rites take place during these twelve days to bless
the marriage, and they reflect traditional values prized by the Peranakan Chinese including
family loyalty, fertility, poise, respect for one’s elders and chastity.
Some of these rituals are:
About a month before the wedding, the Lap Chai ceremony takes place on an auspicious date.
This ceremony involves the exchange of gifts, with well-intentioned, symbolic meanings,
between the two families and marks the engagement of the couple.

On the eve of the wedding, the Chiu Thau ceremony occurs. This hair-combing ceremony is
regarded as the one of most significant wedding rite as this was when the bride and groom
would be initiated into adulthood. The ceremony takes place separately for the couple in their
respective homes at an auspicious hour. With their hair uncombed, they sit on a symbolic set-up
representing their entry into the world of adulthood. Ceremonial objects were waved over their
head to remind the bride/groom of the duties and responsibilities of adult life.

Customs differ from region to region, and even family to family.

My family and my wife's family had very different customs and expectations about weddings, and it caused us no small amount of grief sorting it all out and placating our respective parents.
 
China lost so much of her traditional clothing(Hanfu) It is hard to revive as it is dead for 300 years
But no despair one man doggedly research, create his own interpretation of Hanfu as authentic as he can make it his name is Zhongyi ridicule and mock he persists
It is good that young people like him trying to revive a great clothing tradition here is his story with english subtitle

All traditions evolve over time, having it be "dead" and "revived" is part of evolution.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
I don't have beef against "career woman" My mom is one of them but equally important for her is womanly virtue of good housekeeping, appearance and mannerism and no divorce
China is now encouraging this traditional virtue about time they are doing it . But western press like this article always find fault with traditional value invariably citing freedom and feminism. Prez Xi encourage and promote the traditional value as bulwark against westernization and materialism,extreme feminism, individualism, me first.
It is more important for women to be role model for their child
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Hold in your belly . . . legs together’: Chinese college teaches female students to be ‘perfect’

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, Zhenjiang College and the All-China Women’s Federation have been teaching female students how to dress, pour tea and sit just so — all in the name of Xi’s “
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“You must sit on the front two-thirds of the chair — you cannot occupy the whole chair,” said Duan, 21, demonstrating. “Now, hold in your belly, relax your shoulders, legs together, shoulders up.”

The class, offered only to female students, aims to develop “wise,” “sunny” and “perfect” women, where wisdom comes from studying Chinese history and culture, sunniness from oil painting and etiquette classes, and perfection from the application of (never too much) makeup.

The Communist Party wants women educated, yes, but with economic growth slowing and the population shrinking, it is bringing back the idea that men are breadwinners and women are, first and foremost, wives and mothers — so it is teaching young women that this is the norm.

The college launched the New Era Women’s School to heed Xi’s call for education in traditional Chinese culture, to help women compete in the job market, said Sheng Jie, who runs the program — but also to prepare them for domestic roles. “Women’s family role is more important now,” she said.
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has dropped significantly — from 69 out of 144 countries in 2013 to a 100th-place finish in 2017.

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men and have kids, compounding the
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caused by the one-child policy and potentially destabilizing the country.


“The direction of the future is that women are supposed to play the role of wife and mother in the home,” said Leta Hong Fincher, author of “
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Though this thinking has been around for at least a decade — most notably in
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— the Zhenjiang program appears to be the first college course in feminine virtue under Xi.

The Washington Post was the first foreign media outlet granted access to the campus and was allowed to interview students — while their teachers listened in.

“According to traditional culture, women should be modest and tender, and men’s role is working outside and providing for the family,” said Duan, 21, before a class on tea ceremonies.

“I want to be a model for my children.”

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at a United Nations summit on women, that women’s equality is a “great cause.”

But his words were undercut by actual policy. China has
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and thwarted some LGBT activism. Xi has not made significant progress on getting
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into the highest levels of leadership, nor has he focused on fixing the gender pay gap.

His tenure has been less about pushing for equality than promoting a vision of “harmonious” male-female households with a working father and a virtuous mother who cares for children and the elderly.

The party insists that this reflects the Confucian values at the core of Chinese culture. Critics counter that culture changes and that China should look forward, not back.

“Our traditional culture is filled with restrictions on — and the oppression of — women,” said Lu Ping, a prominent Chinese feminist who ran a website that was recently censored. “Can we push women back into the traditional roles?”

People are trying. Last year,
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that a company in northern China was operating a “traditional culture school” where women were told to “shut your mouths and do more housework” and practiced bowing to their husbands.

“Don’t fight back when beaten. Don't talk back when scolded. And, no matter what, don't get divorced,” a female teacher there said, according to footage published by Beijing’s Pear Video.

“Women should just stay at the bottom level of the society and not aspire for more,” another instructor said.

When the story
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, local officials said its message violated “socialist core values” and called for an investigation.

But Feng Yuan, a Beijing-based anti-domestic-violence campaigner, said the focus on wifely virtue persists — and is promoted.

“At the moment, we only see emphasis on women’s family role,” she said. “There’s never any emphasis on men’s role.”

In the halls and classrooms of Zhenjiang College, self-improvement is indeed women’s work.

The course was the brainchild of the local branch of the All-China Women’s Federation and is overseen by women. The students are women. There is no equivalent course for men.

Both teachers and students said that young women should constantly seek to improve their “quality” to stay competitive. Success requires constant “self-cultivation”— not a bad thing when it applies to all genders.

Li Ziyi, a 19-year-old studying early-childhood education, said she’d been taught years ago that, for women, good grades are not enough. “When I was in secondary school, my teacher told us that the college entrance exam is the last fair exam in your life, because it doesn’t look at your face,” she said.

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Li Ziyi, 19, majors in early-childhood education. (Yuyang Liu for The Washington Post)
Yes, handsome men have an advantage, she added, but “society still has a higher requirement for girls.”

Her classmate, Wang Caidie, 18, a nursing student, said female nurses are advised to wear “light makeup” to look professional, while male classmates are given no instructions at all.

The double standard was not lost on them, but neither were the lessons in how to sit, stand and serve tea — which they considered fun and useful.

“Even before the job interview starts, we will deliberately pay more attention to how we sit, how we stand up. That is our advantage compared to those who haven’t attended these classes,” Duan said.

Sheng, the program director, declined to talk much about women’s rights — she is a teacher, not a feminist, she said.

Her goal is to teach young women what they need to know and, in so doing, help the nation. “The country is emphasizing traditional culture, so we are providing courses,” she said.

“This is a new era. History is moving in a better direction.”
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
I don't have beef against "career woman" My mom is one of them but equally important for her is womanly virtue of good housekeeping, appearance and mannerism and no divorce
China is now encouraging this traditional virtue about time they are doing it . But western press like this article always find fault with traditional value invariably citing freedom and feminism. Prez Xi encourage and promote the traditional value as bulwark against westernization and materialism,extreme feminism, individualism, me first.
It is more important for women to be role model for their child
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Hold in your belly . . . legs together’: Chinese college teaches female students to be ‘perfect’

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June 25 at 3:15 PMEmail the author
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, Zhenjiang College and the All-China Women’s Federation have been teaching female students how to dress, pour tea and sit just so — all in the name of Xi’s “
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.”

“You must sit on the front two-thirds of the chair — you cannot occupy the whole chair,” said Duan, 21, demonstrating. “Now, hold in your belly, relax your shoulders, legs together, shoulders up.”

The class, offered only to female students, aims to develop “wise,” “sunny” and “perfect” women, where wisdom comes from studying Chinese history and culture, sunniness from oil painting and etiquette classes, and perfection from the application of (never too much) makeup.

The Communist Party wants women educated, yes, but with economic growth slowing and the population shrinking, it is bringing back the idea that men are breadwinners and women are, first and foremost, wives and mothers — so it is teaching young women that this is the norm.

The college launched the New Era Women’s School to heed Xi’s call for education in traditional Chinese culture, to help women compete in the job market, said Sheng Jie, who runs the program — but also to prepare them for domestic roles. “Women’s family role is more important now,” she said.
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Since the start of Xi’s tenure, China’s ranking in the World Economic Forum’s
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has dropped significantly — from 69 out of 144 countries in 2013 to a 100th-place finish in 2017.

The country’s top cadres do not seem concerned. The party wants women educated, yes, but it is worried that educated women will
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men and have kids, compounding the
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caused by the one-child policy and potentially destabilizing the country.


“The direction of the future is that women are supposed to play the role of wife and mother in the home,” said Leta Hong Fincher, author of “
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.”

Though this thinking has been around for at least a decade — most notably in
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
— the Zhenjiang program appears to be the first college course in feminine virtue under Xi.

The Washington Post was the first foreign media outlet granted access to the campus and was allowed to interview students — while their teachers listened in.

“According to traditional culture, women should be modest and tender, and men’s role is working outside and providing for the family,” said Duan, 21, before a class on tea ceremonies.

“I want to be a model for my children.”

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at a United Nations summit on women, that women’s equality is a “great cause.”

But his words were undercut by actual policy. China has
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and thwarted some LGBT activism. Xi has not made significant progress on getting
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into the highest levels of leadership, nor has he focused on fixing the gender pay gap.

His tenure has been less about pushing for equality than promoting a vision of “harmonious” male-female households with a working father and a virtuous mother who cares for children and the elderly.

The party insists that this reflects the Confucian values at the core of Chinese culture. Critics counter that culture changes and that China should look forward, not back.

“Our traditional culture is filled with restrictions on — and the oppression of — women,” said Lu Ping, a prominent Chinese feminist who ran a website that was recently censored. “Can we push women back into the traditional roles?”

People are trying. Last year,
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that a company in northern China was operating a “traditional culture school” where women were told to “shut your mouths and do more housework” and practiced bowing to their husbands.

“Don’t fight back when beaten. Don't talk back when scolded. And, no matter what, don't get divorced,” a female teacher there said, according to footage published by Beijing’s Pear Video.

“Women should just stay at the bottom level of the society and not aspire for more,” another instructor said.

When the story
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, local officials said its message violated “socialist core values” and called for an investigation.

But Feng Yuan, a Beijing-based anti-domestic-violence campaigner, said the focus on wifely virtue persists — and is promoted.

“At the moment, we only see emphasis on women’s family role,” she said. “There’s never any emphasis on men’s role.”

Yeah right meanwhile out here in the West the far left elitist has no problem with the disrespectful young lady known as "cash me outside..." girl.:rolleyes:o_O


 
I don't have beef against "career woman" My mom is one of them but equally important for her is womanly virtue of good housekeeping, appearance and mannerism and no divorce
China is now encouraging this traditional virtue about time they are doing it . But western press like this article always find fault with traditional value invariably citing freedom and feminism. Prez Xi encourage and promote the traditional value as bulwark against westernization and materialism,extreme feminism, individualism, me first.
It is more important for women to be role model for their child
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I appreciate your prolific posting @Hendrik_2000 but many times, not the majority but many times, you link articles such as this one that is clearly a smear piece following well-established Western propaganda patterns such as in this case "females of non-Western cultures are oppressed by their cultures and their men, things would be so much better if they were Westernized, obeyed what the West says, or be in the West".

While you clarify why you are posting about the topic for much more objective reasons and sometimes even put in a hate-China slant disclaimer that is not enough to redeem the hate-China and the inherent misinformation nature of the article.

There are segments of Chinese people, just like everywhere else including in the West, who prefer clearly defined "traditional" gender roles. A minority of these people might veer into being oppressive but that is not representative of Chinese people as a whole, not representative of the Chinese government, and more fundamentally is not representative of "traditional" gender roles either.

The inherent social and psychological requirements of being a family provider (more competitive) outside the family and being a family caretaker (more co-operative) inside the family involves and/or tempts opposing and/or exclusive attitudes, behaviors, and habits. It is reasonable to posit that it is more difficult for one person to do both roles well and/or be able to constantly bounce between them versus having one person specialize in one role or the other in order to do it well with less internal stress within the person.

There is also the aspect of the family caretaker role being underappreciated no matter which gender performs it. This is a side effect of improvements in standards of living, work opportunities for everyone to be self-sufficient, as well as a breakdown of nuclear family living with long distance long term separation of family members, due to wealth and opportunity inequalities based on geography.

These are all issues that all peoples and governments around the world are confronting, adapting to, and changing at the same time, this is the context that this misinformation article ignores and cherry picks the worst examples to sensationalize into a hate-China piece.
 

Hendrik_2000

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I know that is why I put disclaimer first. As usual the new is about how the government now prepare young woman for life as home maker and career woman. And the western press turn it into smear campaign using their myopic cultural lens of western society aka feminism

The liberation change the social and economical standing of Chinese woman and for most part for the better . But I also notice somewhere along the way something is missing like the the poise and grace of oriental lady. Mind you it also occur worldwide where people has less time for niceties

I found the news is interesting that China now is bringing back the teaching that woman is not only career woman but also gracious home maker and role model for their children
 

Icmer

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I know that is why I put disclaimer first. As usual the new is about how the government now prepare young woman for life as home maker and career woman. And the western press turn it into smear campaign using their myopic cultural lens of western society aka feminism

The liberation change the social and economical standing of Chinese woman and for most part for the better . But I also notice somewhere along the way something is missing like the the poise and grace of oriental lady. Mind you it also occur worldwide where people has less time for niceties

I found the news is interesting that China now is bringing back the teaching that woman is not only career woman but also gracious home maker and role model for their children

Exactly, women have a very important role in raising the youth of the country. Career women should be respected, but we should be mindful that childrearing is difficult to balance with a full-time job. Realistically, most women won't be able to handle both at once, and this is reflected in how the vast majority of women do not find such an arrangement ideal (according to attitude surveys in even "gender-progressive" nations). So I see no problem with the government promoting nuclear families. Women can absolutely find empowerment and fulfillment in the nuclear family.

Yes, these are indeed societal pressures for women to get married young and start a family. But to call this a push for Chinese women to only be viewed as "baby-making machines" is an outright Western smear that is totally unfounded in reality. These are merely suggestions, and the societal pressure is not as great as Western media would have you believe. Women in China have a rate of participation in the workforce higher than that of America and most Western countries, and Chinese tech companies have more women in middle-management positions than Fortune 500 companies. Western media like to point to how there are fewer Chinese women in executive boards, but this contradiction of American companies having fewer women in middle-management and more at the top leads one to suspect that affirmative action/PR-management is at play here more than actual workplace gender progressiveness.
 
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solarz

Brigadier
Exactly, women have a very important role in raising the youth of the country. Career women should be respected, but we should be mindful that childrearing is difficult to balance with a full-time job. Realistically, most women won't be able to handle both at once, and this is reflected in how the vast majority of women do not find such an arrangement ideal (according to attitude surveys in even "gender-progressive" nations). So I see no problem with the government promoting nuclear families. Women can absolutely find empowerment and fulfillment in the nuclear family.

Yes, these are indeed societal pressures for women to get married young and start a family. But to call this a push for Chinese women to only be viewed as "baby-making machines" is an outright Western smear that is totally unfounded in reality. These are merely suggestions, and the societal pressure is not as great as Western media would have you believe. Women in China have a rate of participation in the workforce higher than that of America and most Western countries, and Chinese tech companies have more women in middle-management positions than Fortune 500 companies. Western media like to point to how there are fewer Chinese women in executive boards, but this contradiction of American companies having fewer women in middle-management and more at the top leads one to suspect that affirmative action/PR-management is at play here more than actual workplace gender progressiveness.

Western culture is schizophrenic. One side stridently screams for the break down of any and all silos between gender roles, while the other side will resort to murder to prevent women from controlling their own bodies.

The article is pretty despicable. It attempts to link a rightly condemned private organization that taught women to debase themselves with official Chinese policy, despite the fact that the previously mentioned organization was shut down by the government.

It attempts to link that incident with what is essentially a self-improvement class for women. It then attempts to criticize the class for not having any instructions for men. What's next, yoga classes should teach soccer?
 
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