Chinese submarines thread

[crobato]

Re: Chinese sub thread

If you look at the shadow of the stub, its cigar shaped.

 

[Violet Oboe]

Re: Chinese sub thread

PLAN's overall part in PLA's deterrent strategy is indeed quite mysterious and some kind of ´surge capability´intended for a ´rush out´during a crisis is only one probable explanation.

The pace of DF-31A deployment appears to be currently glacial but could pick up significantly in the next two years since a balanced development of land and sea based deterrent forces is necessary for a credible and coherent nuclear strategy.

Perhaps PLA should develop a weapon similar to the Midgetman SICBM. Without doubt a miniature road mobile (possibly on ´civilian´trucks) ICBM would be the ultimate second strike weapon ´ensuring´China's deterrence posture.

 

[Violet Oboe]

Re: Chinese sub thread

Well, without employing ´fuzzy logic´ that picture would remain an enigma...:coffee:

At first glance someone would speculate about a new 093 but after measuring the length it appears to be somewhat short... (...a new ´small´SSN? ,maybe similar to the Rubis class (2700 t), or DCN's new Barracuda class (4200 t)?)

 

[Gollevainen]

Re: Chinese sub thread

The article is so prejudiced as typical of Newsmax and is totally screwed on many points. Why don't you check out their website?

1. The Z-10 is a civilian helicopter. The WZ-10 is the attack helicopter. Big difference. The difference between an E-767 and something an airline maybe flying.

2. There has been many test firings of JL-2 over the years, starting with tests in 2001. So far most have been successful, including a full system test in 2005.

3. The JL-2 can carry up to six MIRV warheads.

4. The JL-2 cannot reach much of the United States unless it reaches the Kuril Islands.

5. A lot of Chinese naval and air bases are easily viewed by the public. Urban development has crept up until they are right next door to them.

6. Saying that the 094 will not be in operational service by 2010 is not consistent with DOD assesment.

7. The WS-10A is successful and it is not a copy of the AL-31F engine. It is currently being supplied for the J-11B, which has entered serial production. The J-10 will have to wait a little longer due to the J-11B consuming the limited quotas, but the J-10/WS-10A combination has already entered testing phase.

8. Russia has already assured the supply of RD-93 to the JF-17 program, an assurance made by Putin himself.

9. What problems did they uncover in the 094 trials? The first sub hit the water in 2004, had been fully fitted out and has underwent trials. It is currently stationed in a major PLAN base in Dalian, which is the HQ of the North Sea sub fleet. Apparently the PLAN is happy enough to green light two more. Given how the article has been so fundamentally flawed in other details presented, it has no credible authority to make this assumption. As a matter of fact, the author is just guessing. Is he assuming that one of the subs in the pier is the first 094 being repaired? The pier was made for refitting purposes. The two subs in that pier is high in the water line because they are only partially fitted out and not fully weighted in the water compared to the first sub seen in GE. If the first sub is returned to Huludao for repairs, it won't be in that pier and neither would it be high in the water line, since even a sub that is going into repairs would still be fully fitted. I wonder if you have checked SOC's blog on this , and this guy actually works for the USAF.

There is absolutely no credibility with Newsmax at all. And yes, mentioning that 911 thing is correct, because it reflects an organization that does not have a policy of checking the facts, or acting in a way that you can say is sincere in finding the truth. No one really references it. Organization with no credibility means articles with no credibility.

And don't talk about "prejudice" especially in the same context with a rag like Newsmax, a rag that is essentially full of that.

You see the point was that no matter how "well know" trash sources something might seem, it still doesen't mean it can be ignored and dishmised without explaining. It had nothing to do about anyone beliving something or someone, just as general good posting manners. You could have given that above detailed reply in the first time when you commented the article.

But don't mind me, I'm just old geazer teasing littlebit of the newcomes

All rise!! There's a new Sheriff in town:china:

 

[-SOC]

Re: Chinese sub thread

If you look at the shadow of the stub, its cigar shaped.

That looks to be the back end of another Type 094 SSBN, the diameter of 11.8 meters matches up well with the 11.28 meter diameter of the 094's hull visible above the water down at the pier. I updated my blog article dealing with the 094s to include this new object as well as some analysis identifying it as the apparent fourth 094 hull.

 

[crobato]

Re: Chinese sub thread

Hey nice to see you here SOC. The back end of the 094 appears to be the same back end as the 093. Without seeing the rest of the body, it can be one or the either. The thing is we have yet to catch an 093 in GE in the water to do a measurement. Regardless its very interesting. Since the pic is May 3, 2007, a later update on Huludao in subsequent months can show the sub on the drydock. The two subs in the pier remained there as of September 7, 2007, but one or two may have sailed by October, which can explain the other photographs in Xiaopingdao.

 

[-SOC]

Re: Chinese sub thread

Do the 094 and 093 have the same hull diameter? If not, this is definitely an 094!

 

[crobato]

Re: Chinese sub thread

I believe the 094 is based on the 093. The 094 may have taken the 093's hull, cut it in half, stretched and added a missile compartment. Subs don't have identically patterned limber holes on their hulls unless those hulls are basically the same. I am more inclined to think its an 094 though, mainly its more productive to make a class in production spurts. And then again, there's talk of another sub design replacing the 093, which may be the mysterious one featured in the PLA hall.

 

[crobato]

Re: Chinese sub thread

There is a chance that I may be looking at the holes on the hump on the 094 wrongly. If the holes are running from top to bottom or vertical, rather than left to right or horizontal, they may produce only small noises, and that in a higher frequency at that which won't travel far in the water. The holes may also produce a golf ball dimple effect along the side of the hump, which reduces water turbulence and drag to the rear.

 

[crobato]

Re: Chinese sub thread

There is a possibility that the first 094 may have returned to Huludao to have the TAS fitted, although that will not explain the high water line of the two subs as both appear high and the same level. There is going to be a difference in the water line from the first sub, it would appear lower and it would not be equal to the other sub..