Chinese submarines thread

[Sea Dog]

Re: Chinese sub thread

Yes, sir popeye. The ultimate underwater battleship.....Ohio SSGN.:

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Put two of these out on enemy shores and you have an unmatched strike capability of over 300 instant cruise missiles, excellent surveillance, reconnaisance, anti-ship interdiction, and huge Special Operations capabilities. Ohio SSGN is one mean machine.

Since you asked earlier about Gotland training, I saw this today:

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Looks like the USN is making alot of headway in diesel sub tracking tactics and also working in conjunction with them as supporting assets. And your son would know better than me regarding submarine tracking....I wasn't a sonar man. But I do remember people working sonar that they were running real-time diesel tracks.

@Migleader - You're right. The SSBN's don't have a glorious mission, but they are not built to do what you suggest. SSGN's are. The whole purpose of an SSBN is to hide, evade if necessary, avoid confrontation, and be ready to launch at moments notice.

 

[Su-34]

Re: Chinese sub thread

Comparing the Type 093 SSN and the UK Royal Navy's Astute class SSNs, which is better?

 

[sango]

Re: Chinese sub thread

Comparing the Type 093 SSN and the UK Royal Navy's Astute class SSNs, which is better?

we know to little about the type 093 to make that comparison

 

[Su-34]

Re: Chinese sub thread

we know to little about the type 093 to make that comparison

Just picture that the 093 is like the Victor III, but slighty quieter. So, does Astute surpass that level?

 

[sango]

Re: Chinese sub thread

good question, speaking of type 93 does anyone think it will be able to use the Va-111 or other supercavitating underwater rockets I here china has purchased 40 Va-111s

 

[tphuang]

Re: Chinese sub thread

Just picture that the 093 is like the Victor III, but slighty quieter. So, does Astute surpass that level?

My personal view is that 093's advantage over Victor III would be its electronics. We can pretty much assume that 093 uses command & control system equivalent to the latest Russian SSN (Akula II). If you can make sense of this Kanwa article,

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I would guess the noise level should be better than Victor III.

What 093 probably looses out on is the number of LACMs it can launch and such.

 

[Su-34]

Re: Chinese sub thread

Tphuang, based on your estimates, will the 093 match the performance of UK's new Astute class SSNs?

 

[MIGleader]

Re: Chinese sub thread

That's the same class the Kursk was. The Russians built 13 of these boats. 12 are still in existance. I really don't know how many are operational. They can carry 24 cruise missiles.

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That's because of the SALT ll treaty which limits countries to 16 SSBN's the USN has decided to re-configure 4 Ohio class SSBN into SSGN that carry 154 cruise missiles. Talk about WMD....

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The USN still operates 16 SSBN's and the 4 Ohio's will all be back in service in a couple of years.

well, the kursk is actually an oscar II, with a lengthened double hull and incresed weapons abilites, not to mention crew comforts(IT HAD A SWIMMING POOL!!!).

china should reconfigure its old 92 into a crusie missle carrier for the yj-62. with 12 of those missles, it poses a serious threat to japanese and taiwanese ships.

with only 2 operational ssbns(strategy center and one chinese site claims that the first 94 was launched this year, which really doesnt seem so unbelievable), china does nto need to worry about salt II yet. just build more ssgns and ssbns.

the viktor III was only a referance point many experts use to jusdge the performance of the 93. the 93 really has nothing to do with the viktor III in terms of technology used, so people shouldnt be all that surprised if the 93 starts differing from the viktor. i dont why so many people have this misconception.

 

[IDonT]

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well, the kursk is actually an oscar II, with a lengthened double hull and incresed weapons abilites, not to mention crew comforts(IT HAD A SWIMMING POOL!!!).

china should reconfigure its old 92 into a crusie missle carrier for the yj-62. with 12 of those missles, it poses a serious threat to japanese and taiwanese ships.

with only 2 operational ssbns(strategy center and one chinese site claims that the first 94 was launched this year, which really doesnt seem so unbelievable), china does nto need to worry about salt II yet. just build more ssgns and ssbns.

the viktor III was only a referance point many experts use to jusdge the performance of the 93. the 93 really has nothing to do with the viktor III in terms of technology used, so people shouldnt be all that surprised if the 93 starts differing from the viktor. i dont why so many people have this misconception.

I think your mistaking Oscar II with the Typhoon SSBN.

 

[MIGleader]

Re: Chinese sub thread

nope. im sure the kursk was an oscar II, and indeed had a swimming pool. most of my inof can be verified here:

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