Chinese sub surfaces undetected behind USS Kitty Hawk

Seems to be a new post cold era tactic DNT LET THE ENEMY KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW

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Finn McCool said:

Well, Popeye I would say that the belief that the US cannot take casualties has historically been a massive miscalculation. In both World Wars, Germany (certian generals in WWI, Hitler himself in WWII) dismissed US invlovement, believeing that the US was not wholeheartedly in the war and that they would drop out after one defeat. Yamamoto understood better, but still believed that the US would give in after enough bleeding and if Japan scored a quick string of victories. Kim Il Sung never thought that the US would make a stand in Korea once they realized the scale of operations it would entail. Even Saddam and Osama Bin Laden both believe/d that if they inflicted some casualties it would cow the Americans. All of them were wrong.

The key turning point is when the American public believes they are in an effort that is losing and/or not worth it and without a clear objective. Witness Vietnam and Iraq.

Just elaborating on my thoughts.

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Since the early 1980s Sweden has suffered from a steady bout of violations of its territorial waters by foreign submarines that have been determined to belong to the Soviet Union. The reports issued by the Swedish navy were granted but passing attention by both the Swedish public and the international media until 27 October 1981, when a Soviet Whiskey-class submarine ran aground in a restricted area of the Karlskrona archipelago in an incident generally referred to as "Whiskey on the rocks."17 While the Swedish government issued a strong formal protest, the Soviets sloughed off the intrusion as an unintentional navigational error. In yet another incident, in October 1982, alien submarines entered the Stockholm archipelago--another military restricted area--and part of this force even penetrated Harsfjarden, which is the main base of the Swedish navy. Despite an extensive month-long hunt, Swedish armed units were unable to catch any submarines. Photographic evidence released later revealed prints and sea tracks made by these vessels.18 Three submarines had penetrated inshore to the sea walls of the residence of King Carl Gustaf XVI.

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Kongo said:

You are the fool here. Japan never posed a threat to the US homeland in WW2. But it made the fatal mistake of kicking the sleeping dog with Pearl Harbour. The rest is history. Understand this about democracies - they don't have an appetite for sustained casualties when they cannot see a good reason for it. But when they do, god have mercy on those who face their wrath. Give the Americans a good reason to annihilate China and 1 billion chinese lives won't be enough to appease them. Which is why China's threat to take out LA in the event of American intervention in a Taiwan-China conflict is such a joke.

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Kilo636 said:

Man... All yr examples r horribily wrong! WWII? Japan give US a surprise attack which cos such outrage that all American determine to fight. If US don fight,aren't they going to be annihilate by Japanese? Hitler is a partner of Japan and Axis power. Definitely ,US had to fight all way. US don have a choice. It is either u die or me.

In Korea War,US never expect Chinese to enter the war. They thought North Korea was easy meat. A terrible wrong calculation,they never expect they got a big brother call PRC. Btw,Chinese also not interested to escalate the war that they continued to intrude into South and fight. The last 2 yrs of Korea war was more of a border fight which slowly dies off.. If PRC decided to fight all the way and drag it for another 4-5 yrs,more or less,it will be the first Vietnam war for US and US will withdraw...

The last one makes me laugh even more! When did Saddam forces inflicted the so called "Some casualties" on US forces in conventional warfare? Less than 100 men killed in Gulf War 1,not to mention GUlf War 2? Who u trying to kid? Saddam estimated his forces will inflicted heavy casualties on US forces but never achieved that. Imagine more than 8000-10000 men killed. See what will be the outcome?

When did Taliban inflict heavily casualties on US forces in conventional Warfare?

Let me ask u another question? Isn't the insurgent of Taliban and Iraq inflicting high casualties that US opinion of Iraq war becomes unpopular? In fact,it is only less than 3000 casualties but....
Another question. How Republican lost the congress recently?

How US going to be united to fight for ROC(A province of China) if a high chances that many American lifes going to be taken? It is a war which US can chose not to fight or fight without any effect on them. Unlike WWII

Please give me better reasoning and examples...

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Kilo636 said:

I don see the reason why China can't wipe out 240 million US citizens if u r talking abt 1 billion Chinese lives? Pls take a look at PRC Nuclear program section of Sino defence before u talk big...

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