Chinese Soft Power and Media Discussion and Updates

Nutrient

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I think two of my comments from the Taiwan Crisis thread are relevant here. The first one:

The west is labeling massive Chinese infrastructure investments in other countries as 'debt traps' with no effective pushback from China. If Chinese PR can't handle a low-hanging fruit like this then I fear the worst. And we've all seen the worst in the last several days.
China's soft power is fine. Regardless of Western accusations of "debt trap", China is
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(emphasis mine), according to the Economist. Clearly, countries are eagerly lining up for Chinese loans.

So the West can continue to do all the lying Public Relations (PR) it wants; and China will continue to tell the truth and set some overwhelming facts on the ground.
 
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Nutrient

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My second comment from the Taiwan Crisis thread:

If anything, this is an illustrative example of how vital it is that China puts genuine time, effort, and resources into constructing and utilizing an effective outward-facing propaganda apparatus that can influence opinions abroad.

"This is a pointless battle to take." "The enemy are stronger and better established than us anyways."

China really needs this and they need to build this sooner rather than later. It takes time to build institutions, raise media profile, attract talent, and raise public perception and trust in these vectors of propagandistic and diplomatic warfare.

A sustained attempt to convince China to start spreading lying propaganda ("public Relations" or PR). Truth is one of the Middle Kingdom's greatest weapons against the West's fake news; because most countries in the world believe that China tells the truth, they have joined the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) -- completely disregarding what the US says.

Therefore this guy spends enormous effort to "advise" China to throw away one of its best weapons.
 

tankphobia

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In 1980s Japanese cars got smashed and people suspected of being Japanese like Vincent Chin got lynched.

Yet Japan at the time was at peak soft power with anime, karate, car and Jpop exports. It was fast gaining on the US in economic power.

This proves that soft power is something that can be turned off at any time.

Respect? More like tolerance for a dog.
What I was more getting at was the ability to repair and change world wide public perception of your country even within living memory if enough resources is dedicated to it, so you really don't need to care too much about short term soft power as long as your long term hard power objectives are met, people really do have short memories.
 

Nutrient

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Propaganda is NOT the same as lying.

Propaganda simply means to push a point of view. It is neutral. The West has chosen to push points of view using deception. That does not mean China must deceive.

Propaganda often does mean lying, or degenerates to lying.

Dishonestly attempting to redefine the word "propaganda" is what a propagandist does.

In any case, I want China to continue to win -- to continue to tell the truth.
 
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FairAndUnbiased

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In terms of media strategy, I think, China is adapting well. It still needs some work but I think the overall direction isn't bad. Prior to 2012 or so, China used an ineffective media strategy. The less said about that the better. Since then, China has been slowly adopting a "dangerous bad boy" strategy, and I like it.

The US has a "Hollywood superhero" strategy where they portray themselves as flawless and invincible. They want to show themselves as infalliable, rich and great. The "dangerous bad boy" strategy is to market yourself to developing countries and developed country counterculture, dissidents and niche fandoms to gain (political) strategic depth, disrupt opponent moves and build a base for further offensives. It is much cheaper than the "Hollywood superhero" strategy, because the "Hollywood superhero" must maintain an aura of invincibility at all times while the "dangerous bad boy" only has to figuratively show the middle finger to the superhero.

It is the media equivalent of Mao's strategy of 农村包围城市. Here, 农村 is the developing world and the dissident counterculture of developed countries. It is much easier to sell your ideas to them: the developing world has equal or lower GDP/capita than China, so Chinese ideas are more relatable. China correctly positioned itself as a defender of the developing world and an anti imperialist, which is factually true.
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People in developing countries don't care about high minded abstract ideas. They like the themes of Chinese media which is about family, honor, climbing up in the world, and dealing with fast paced change.
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As for the western counterculture, China provides them an alternative. Note how in the 90's with the removal of Soviets and Japanese as counterculture powers, the counterculture was strongly diminished. Now with economic and cultural competition heating up, it is making a comeback both on the left (DSA) and on the right (alt right). Russia has a role to play with the right wing counterculture that China can't replicate, but
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Even wolf warriors diplomats are part of the strategy as part of the "dangerous bad boy" persona. Think about North Korea. Their diplomats are seen as unhinged paper tigers. But because they still bite on occasion, they're treated as real tigers. This leads to drawbacks when trying to negotiate, but in every instance of claimed "wolf warrior" diplomacy, it has always been the other side instigating and China responding, so negotiation is already useless. Instead every time China strongly stands up to the oppressors instead of quietly refuting, China gets credit in the developing world and with the western counterculture.
 

vincent

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What I was more getting at was the ability to repair and change world wide public perception of your country even within living memory if enough resources is dedicated to it, so you really don't need to care too much about short term soft power as long as your long term hard power objectives are met, people really do have short memories.
You still think Japanese are respected in the West. They are tolerated because they are ”good” Asians as in good dogs.
 
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MelianPretext

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It's rather bizarre to see virtually the entire conversation around soft power so far revolve around how China should address the Western populace. This is like a lawyer telling their client that the main purpose of their defense is to convince - no, not the jury or the judge - but the prosecution. The experience of Russia through the Ukraine crisis should be a clear enough indication that fantasies of China winning over a population so thoroughly leashed ideologically by their state and media apparatuses as the group-thinking West are would be like, as the saying goes, playing piano to a cow. A lobotomized cow, in this instance.

The prize to win is the Global South. That's where the publicly flaunted $500m anti-China, or rather anti-BRI, media bill is heading. The West realizes that they have largely no chance of matching China's material contributions so they've decided to spend their efforts blackening the reception to China's aid instead. The West has a natural linguistic advantage through imposing their Indo-European languages on the Global South so the result is that their propaganda efforts by the Western media is particularly effective in a way that China, with its language and cultural barriers, is unable to reciprocate.
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Propaganda often does mean lying, or degenerates to lying.

Dishonestly attempting to redefine the word "propaganda" is what a propagandist does.

In any case, I want China to continue to win -- to continue to tell the truth.

This is what happens when a guy watches too much Marvel movies. China's geopolitical struggle isn't some morality play to satisfy fantasy ethical standards laid out by us foreign China watching randoms. Even if China does hypothetically stretch "the truth" (whatever that's supposed to mean in a field as normative as geopolitics) in its propaganda, it would be completely acceptable.

Propaganda *is* just a word, the fixation on adding a negative value judgment to its intent is just Western doublethink. In Chinese, the word "宣传" (literally "declare/announce and transfer/pass forth") serves double duty in utility, translatable as both "publicity" and "propaganda" depending on the translator's normative value judgment. The "中央宣传部" is officially the "Central Publicity Department", but it historically was the "Central Propaganda Department" in English pre-Deng Xiaoping.


Here's Lenin himself on the use of propaganda:
From the life of peoples of all countries”–pictures with a special propaganda message, such as: Britain’s colonial policy in India, the work of the League of Nations, the starving Berliners, etc., etc. Besides films, photographs of propaganda interest should be shown with appropriate subtitles. [...] Special attention should be given to organizing film showings in the villages and in the East, where they are novelties and where our propaganda, therefore, will be all the more effective.
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Obviously China should couch its propaganda efforts like every other country through terms like "public relations" and "international outreach" because the word has a tainted negative connotation, but don't confuse the process itself with the semantical optics.
 

Nutrient

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Propaganda *is* just a word, the fixation on adding a negative value judgment to its intent is just Western doublethink. In Chinese, the word "宣传" (literally "declare/announce and transfer/pass forth") serves double duty in utility, translatable as both "publicity" and "propaganda" depending on the translator's normative value judgment. The "中央宣传部" is officially the "Central Publicity Department", but it historically was the "Central Propaganda Department" in English pre-Deng Xiaoping.
Yes, I know that the Chinese, like any humans, are quite capable of lying; I need only point to the torrent of fake news coming ceaselessly from Taiwan.

I am saying that the truth is one of China's greatest weapons. It is probably a major reason why the Middle Kingdom has won over most of the countries in the world: they have joined the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) because they believe that China is sincerely willing to help them, and is capable of doing so. And when the West makes similar promises, the countries in BRI do not believe a word.

And this is why some people, like you and @dasCKD, expend so much effort to convince China to start lying. The West is losing; you are desperate.

You begin by attempting to make propaganda seem innocuous, by associating many innocent activities with the term. It's harmless, so why not indulge? Says the drug pusher. Propaganda can be innocent at first, but it nearly always leads to lying. No thanks.


Here's Lenin himself on the use of propaganda: [...]

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So what? Lenin wasn't perfect, far from it. I actually believe the Soviet Union's massive use of propaganda was one of its worst mistakes. The lies eventually deligitimized the USSR in the eyes of its own citizens, and that was why it collapsed. You want the same thing to happen to China? Double no thanks.
 
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