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KYli

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tonyget said:
Is that a problem for firewall supporters？I thought you'd love see Chinese people get banned，so they will go back and re-embrace Chinese platform
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Grow up. If you are not here to debate, don't reply. I was on the fence about firewall many years ago. Until, the West and their supporters show me their true color. Freedom of speech has become a joke overnight.
tonyget said:
If a system is so susceptible to outside influence it must a fragile system，thus a flawed system. I have confidence in Chinese society resiliency，where is yours？
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Tell that to the US that is so scared of China that it wanted to ban everything China. Or the US is so fragile and so flawed that it is so scared so it has to force many Chinese internet platforms from the US.

US wanted to cripple China but you wanted open the Chinese gate to welcome them open arm. What logic is that? If it were before the color revolution in HK and before the blanket banning the Chinese companies, you might still have a point. But right now, the only person who advocate for such policy is just purely a traitor of China or if such person isn't Chinese then this person is just too stupid to think such argument still has any merit.
tonyget said:
Or better question：why cannot you do the same "turn public opinion" thing against the US？Is it American system inherently more resilient to outside influence than Chinese system？
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Are you joking? FB, Google and Twitter are all owned by the US and CIA. How can you turn the American public opinion when you got an instant banned if you spoke anything positive about China or Russia. It is just ridiculous you still bring up such notion in the first place.
 
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tonyget

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SanWenYu said:
Being a bottleneck means it is a necessity. But it says nothing about sufficiency. And Taiwan is not without its own bottlenecks in the semiconductor sector.
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Everyone knows semiconductor is necessity. However being necessity does not mean you can link anything to it. Do you think Chinese man football's incompetent can be attributed to weakness in semiconductor？

SanWenYu said:
While your observations are sound here, the reasoning is wrong.

It was the domestic laws of the host countries not the GFW that force the Chinese companies to store their international user data outside of China. For the same reason, Microsoft, Apple, etc. have their Chinese user data stored inside China because they are required by the Chinese laws.
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Really？TikTok headquarter in Singapore，also store the date in Singapore. And they have no problem of accessing markets outside of Singapore. Apparently most of countries have no local data storage requirement，otherwise TikTok would have to build data center in every single country which have TikTok user.

So question naturally arise：why cannot TikTok headquarter in China？Why cannot they store data in China？Why Singapore？

SanWenYu said:
The US media do have an international version. It is called VOA.
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VOA is not a platform
 
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Topazchen

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KYli said:
And the Western platforms would be any better. Google, FB, and Twitter were even more abusive in silencing other voices. Banning anyone speaks up for Chinese. Google even tagged rioter song as national anthem and refused to take it down.

You reasoning and logic is so flaw and laughable. If it is many years ago before the US going full retarded and attacked anything China, then you might have an argument. After the West has abused its power and finance power by sanctioning and misused its social media for color revolution and banned technology because it can't compete. You have no point to stand.

It would be China that would be doomed. Look at all those color revolution. FB, Twitter, and Google all played a part. How Hong Kong color revolution got evolved from merely a protest to a full blown color revolution. It is by rumors through FB, Twitter, Youtube and using Telegram to organize mass riots.

People are just so naive. Remember how they banned Russian voice and anything positives about Russia just recently. Soft power is useless as piece of toilet paper if you have no control of it. Remember how opinions of China and Russia go from positives to negatives within a year. What kind of soft power if your enemy can merely turn public opinion against you so easily. TikTok would soon be banned. So go your theory of open internet that would bring a better China and Chinese voice. I thought people here would learn and should know about this but guess not.
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There are two things here.Firewall to keep US tech companies out and censorship .I would keep the former but slowly remove the latter .Dealing with troublemakers should be very easy, and we have seen those so-called "color revolutions" fail. With less censorship, you are able to build a sizeable pro-establishment constituency that drowns out the noisy minority, and that helps you win psychological warfare in the digital battlespace.
 
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tonyget

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MortyandRick said:
Do you have any evidence to support your assertion that china struggles with culture confidence at home or are you just talking out of your ass again.
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Plenty. It all comes down to unnoticeable details in everyday life，in daily language. It's subtle yet affect subconscious.

Don't believe me ？I will just give you an example，it's so subtle to the point that no one even notice or talk about it. The character "土" refers to anything domestic，the character "洋" refers to anything foreign. Now，if you speak Chinese（which I assume yo do），I am sure you know which one of these two character associate with positive meaning，and which one associate with negative meaning，when the character being used as adjective in the context of current Chinese society
 
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tonyget

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Kelvin104 said:
All social media platforms are susceptible to outside influence - for example, Instagram censors pro-Palestinian accounts on behalf of its Israeli stakeholders. As such, most states and transnational organizations have regulations in place to maintain information sovereignty; whether that be data privacy laws or geographic restrictions.

Why should China surrender control of its infospace to foreigners, like how the Qing surrendered treaty ports?
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Well Chinese gov still has control over Chinese platform right？What makes you think that Chinese platform can not compete with foreign platform ？

If your product is decent and competitive，then you shouldn't worry about people abandon you and jump to your competitor. No confidence in Chinese platform's capability to retain user？
 
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KYli

Brigadier
Topazchen said:
There are two things here.Firewall to keep US tech companies out and censorship .I would keep the former but slowly remove the latter .Dealing with troublemakers should be very easy, and we have seen those so-called "color revolutions" fail. With less censorship, you are able to build a sizeable pro-establishment constituency that drowns out the noisy minority, and that helps you win psychological warfare in the digital battlespace.
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No one likes censorship. But how do you deal with rumors and fake news that are so sophisticated and with so many resources at disposal from your enemies. Years ago, there were little censorship, we all know how things back then when a mere rumor could cause a riot. And I don't believe in building up a pro-establishment, many groups back then that claimed to be pro-government all have their own hidden agendas that were hijacked and intertwined with local and national politics.

For ending censorship, China needs to be stronger in military and geopolitical, more wealthy in the nation and average person, new generation needs to grow up and take over more important roles and area especially in propaganda area. Until then, I don't see ending censorship could help China.
 
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tonyget

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KYli said:
Grow up. If you are not here to debate, don't reply. I was on the fence about firewall many years ago. Until, the West and their supporters show me their true color. Freedom of speech has become a joke overnight.
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Good，more reason to open the firewall. Let Chinese people see the true color of the West，let the west humiliate them，at the end even the apolitical ones will trun to nationalist and resent the West

KYli said:
Tell that to the US that is so scared of China that it wanted to ban everything China. Or the US is so fragile and so flawed that it is so scared so it has to force many Chinese internet platforms from the US.

US wanted to cripple China but you wanted open the Chinese gate to welcome them open arm. What logic is that? If it were before the color revolution in HK and before the blanket banning the Chinese companies, you might still have a point. But right now, the only person who advocate for such policy is just purely a traitor of China or if such person isn't Chinese then this person is just too stupid to think such argument still has any merit.
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Why do you think the US can insite color revolution in China but not vice-versa，If the US system is more fragile than China？Remember I‘m not the one who suggest Chinese system is fragile，I'm the one who suggest Chinese system is resilient which can withstand outside influence

KYli said:
Are you joking? FB, Google and Twitter are all owned by the US and CIA. How can you turn the American public opinion when you got an instant banned if you spoke anything positive about China or Russia. It is just ridiculous you still bring up such notion in the first place.
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If FB, Google and Twitter not allowed to turn American public opinion，then WeChat Webo is not allowed to turn Chinese public opinion either，so it's all equal right？
 
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KYli

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tonyget said:
Good，more reason to open the firewall. Let Chinese people see the true color of the West，let the west humiliate them，at the end even the apolitical ones will trun to nationalist and resent the West
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Allowing the Western media to brainwash Chinese when the West banned Chinese platforms. Do you think Chinese are moron?
tonyget said:
Why do you think the US can insite color revolution in China but not vice-versa，If the US system is more fragile than China？Remember I‘m not the one who suggest Chinese system is fragile，I'm the one who suggest Chinese system is resilient which can withstand outside influence
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Why do the US so scared of China that even Confucius institution is deemed as a threat? You are the one advocate China to open up when the West shut the door on China. Why China need to open up when the West shut it door?
tonyget said:
If FB, Google and Twitter not allowed to turn American public opinion，then WeChat Webo is not allowed to turn Chinese public opinion either，so it's all equal right？
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What are you talking about? Your wordings don't even make sense.
 
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