Chinese Soft Power and Media Discussion and Updates

ACuriousPLAFan

Brigadier
Registered Member
People who think the Chinese government should get rid of censorship and the firewall, watch this
The key factor which differentiates Douyin and Tiktok is the presence of filtration, moderation and regulation. The Chinese authorities regularly and proactively do just that all the time with Douyin, which constitutes as part of the Great Internet Firewall.

However, this key factor is absent for Tiktok which serves the rest of the world, frankly speaking.

In fact, Tiktok is merely recommending stuffs that are top hits among its audiences through algorithm and programming, which works in practically similar ways to any other Western social media.

Hence, it is totally unfair to blame whatever contents that Tiktok is presenting to the audiences, if the authorities of countries do not step in to moderate and regulate Tiktok contents. This is especially when Tiktok even offered authorities and parents with options that would help to regulate and moderate Tiktok contents for their nation's and children's audiences.

Besides, you have Twitter and Reddit allowing outright p0rn and adult contents on their sites, yet you don't see governments complaining about them. Why? Because they are Western-made social media.

Therefore, firewall and censorship must not be taken down, but they should be further optimized and perfected compared to what they are now.
 

zhangjim

Junior Member
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No one likes censorship. But how do you deal with rumors and fake news that are so sophisticated and with so many resources at disposal from your enemies. Years ago, there were little censorship, we all know how things back then when a mere rumor could cause a riot. And I don't believe in building up a pro-establishment, many groups back then that claimed to be pro-government all have their own hidden agendas that were hijacked and intertwined with local and national politics.

For ending censorship, China needs to be stronger in military and geopolitical, more wealthy in the nation and average person, new generation needs to grow up and take over more important roles and area especially in propaganda area. Until then, I don't see ending censorship could help China.
It's not that simple,there is a view that the biggest obstacle is CPC's lack of adequate awareness of the publicity effect in the Internet era.
In recent years, they have made some progress, but they are still clumsy and rough, and act without rules. Campaign-style law enforcement is still a normal state,every time they "clean" the Internet, they always arbitrarily ban something irrelevant in order to meet the indicators.
CPC is good at pushing ordinary people who don't ask politics to the opposite. Looking less won't kill them, will it? But life has been so difficult, why do they want to make people unhappy? Every time such "management" is to provide soldiers for those discontented political opposition.
It would be counterproductive to define some unimportant things as "contraband" by administrative instructions, the more things prohibited, the more they hurt the authority of the prohibition and the law.

This critic believes that the current management determines that China cannot have any cultural achievements. It may be "safe" for CPC, but it is not interesting.

Network creation is subject to the most severe restrictions (or basically not allowed to depict the reality of China); The publication number is managed by 27 departments, and the content of the animation episode introduced was cut in half (the most extreme case). Many people commented that this was "retrogression".

These two days are also the news that the clothes in the game are "too exposed" and ordered to be rectified. I would not be surprised if the story of jeans and rock music in the cold war era were staged again one day.

Add: But it's not surprising to think that China is about to become a country with more serious aging than Japan, which means that the whole country will inevitably become more conservative.
 

AndrewS

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Registered Member
The key factor which differentiates Douyin and Tiktok is the presence of filtration, moderation and regulation. The Chinese authorities regularly and proactively do just that all the time with Douyin, which constitutes as part of the Great Internet Firewall.

I would define this separately.

The Chinese government doesn't need to use any technical means to regulate Douyin content or operations. They just issue a regulation or law and Douyin has to comply.

In comparison, websites or apps hosted abroad are not subject to Chinese laws or regulations, therefore the Great Firewall is the only solution available.

However, this key factor is absent for Tiktok which serves the rest of the world, frankly speaking.

In fact, Tiktok is merely recommending stuffs that are top hits among its audiences through algorithm and programming, which works in practically similar ways to any other Western social media.

Hence, it is totally unfair to blame whatever contents that Tiktok is presenting to the audiences, if the authorities of countries do not step in to moderate and regulate Tiktok contents. This is especially when Tiktok even offered authorities and parents with options that would help to regulate and moderate Tiktok contents for their nation's and children's audiences.

Besides, you have Twitter and Reddit allowing outright p0rn and adult contents on their sites, yet you don't see governments complaining about them. Why? Because they are Western-made social media.

Therefore, firewall and censorship must not be taken down, but they should be further optimized and perfected compared to what they are now.
 

tankphobia

Senior Member
Registered Member
Therefore, firewall and censorship must not be taken down, but they should be further optimized and perfected compared to what they are now.
Unless I'm missing something, the current method the government used to control internal discussion seem multifaceted, from lowest level (most crude) to highest level (highly sophisticated)

1. Turning on/off communication (rarely/never used and ancient, only used before better tools were developed, China is not a tinpot dictatorship)
2. Mass banning/keyword censorship (somewhat common, difficult due to Chinese puns easily used to fool direct text censor, i.e always fighting wack-a-mole against moderately literate people)
3. Official source messaging to counter rumor milling and fake news (CCTV/CPC official)
4. External government owned media companies to spread message aboard (CGTN, Global times etc)
5. Coordinated social media campaign via government affiliated groups (Various public facing viral personalities used to spread message, i.e "grass roots" influencer operation)

I don't think people are giving credit to how complex the propaganda department's actual operation is, it rivals any Russian/US influence operations in terms of scope and capabilities, there's something to be said about the high level of unity within the general populace and it's not just the economic prosperity brough on by good governance, it's also that you make sure people understand none of this would happen without the government.

Of all of these the most effective option is the grass roots option, but it requires a huge amount of coordination to ensure that the core message retains integrity across many different platforms, personality and even languages. Its effectiveness is causing pushback as you can see from all the accusations of Chinese bots across the internet, but nonetheless effective in steering the discourse towards a pro-China stance, it's of course of limited used against people with entrenched anti-Chinese sentiment, which is also prevalent on the west dominated internet.

All this is buoyed by the fact that internet discourse means nada in terms of real-world consequences unless you have the hard power to back it up, so don't read too much into it.
 

KYli

Brigadier
This critic believes that the current management determines that China cannot have any cultural achievements. It may be "safe" for CPC, but it is not interesting.
Define cultural achievement? If it means those half naked scene, boobies, and boys love dramas would make China a cultural powerhouse, then I don't see it that way. Critics and losers are blaming their failures on the government without even considering why they failed so badly.

Just look at those movies that cost a few hundreds millions to make and why they failed. These are garbage movies that used for money laundering. A-list movie stars that paid with an outrageous amount of money but sound and visual effects that got little investment. Storyline that is weak and pathetic. Movie director that was busy banging the actress. You think this is the future of the Chinese culture and entertainment industry.
Network creation is subject to the most severe restrictions (or basically not allowed to depict the reality of China); The publication number is managed by 27 departments, and the content of the animation episode introduced was cut in half (the most extreme case). Many people commented that this was "retrogression".
Not arguing that some restrictions are absurd but it is those fake historical and go back in time dramas that got the most heat.
These two days are also the news that the clothes in the game are "too exposed" and ordered to be rectified. I would not be surprised if the story of jeans and rock music in the cold war era were staged again one day.
I have recently gone through some Chinese manga and games. I would say many of them are spending too much time to depict half naked girls. It is fine with some exposure but when all game and manga have this same tendency then the industries have a problem. Manga and games are more than just some sex and violent. Sex and violent do sell but shouldn't be the main theme.
Add: But it's not surprising to think that China is about to become a country with more serious aging than Japan, which means that the whole country will inevitably become more conservative.
Political correctness in the West is even more threatening. Those political correctness movies and dramas are even more scary. I do hope China to refine its restrictions but China should never go down the road of the West.
 

MortyandRick

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Registered Member
Plenty. It all comes down to unnoticeable details in everyday life,in daily language. It's subtle yet affect subconscious.

Don't believe me ?I will just give you an example,it's so subtle to the point that no one even notice or talk about it. The character "土" refers to anything domestic,the character "洋" refers to anything foreign. Now,if you speak Chinese(which I assume yo do),I am sure you know which one of these two character associate with positive meaning,and which one associate with negative meaning,when the character being used as adjective in the context of current Chinese society
Wait. That's your evidence?!?
F*** why did I even take what you said seriously. Lol
 

MortyandRick

Senior Member
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Part of problem is great firewall, but if Chinese government removes it then it may fell down due to colour revolution, hack it's stupid like how 10 people dying in china resulted in protest and xi jinping step down kind of voices were raised. This itself shows how much of a big chunk of Chinese citizens want democracy and doesn't like CCP ,so great firewall gives control to Chinese government .

But outside world doesn't like this level of control, like I don't think anybody would use a game where you can only play 30 minutes a day, if china removed firewall all these people would jump to another game and they would dump Chinese social media too because it has too much of censorship.

People want more free internet, even though censorship exist in American social media but it's not at level of Chinese one and you can still make different content even if it's not liked by America.

Problem lies on due to different values, American and their lies follow democratic values but china follow their own value which is not accepted globally. If communist block still existed then china value might have also been accepted but china is alone because it doesn't have allies like USA.

No matter how much it tries, it would have to end up following American values on digital media, allies makes alot of things easier, even russia doesn't follow China's values and want their own social media, fragmented way of social media won't be accepted everybody now understand that we luve in global village so information must flow quickly without using a VPN. China might need to do some kind of innovation even if you make better social media still it depends on number of users ( let's say if it's banned in various countries) so many good social media died because of lack of users.
Hahaha

Yes sure Chinese people want Democracy so bad and to be like India, where the GDP, life expectancy, technology, industry, military, quality of life indicators etc are all lower.

I think it's Indiana's who need an authorization government to get better. They are trying with modi but he is failing to make big changes and screwed up the economy with switching the currency.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Hahaha

Yes sure Chinese people want Democracy so bad and to be like India, where the GDP, life expectancy, technology, industry, military, quality of life indicators etc are all lower.

I think it's Indiana's who need an authorization government to get better. They are trying with modi but he is failing to make big changes and screwed up the economy with switching the currency.
Chinese people want democracy so bad you need to pay them (or in this case, pretend to pay them) to show up at a riot for COVID loosening and then label that as a protest for democracy.
 
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