Chinese shipbuilding industry

henrik

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Interesting that instead of giving seperate figures for Japan and South Korean, they had to combine them to make them look favourable against China.

Many previous posts on this thread have already gave China's ship building at below 50% of global production. The attention should be on current and future ship orders received by China, Japan and South Korean and their deliveries in years ahead.

In the chart are those prices for each type of ship?
 

tamsen_ikard

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Now that the idea has been disseminated, its bound to happen. US will try to hobble Chinese ship building industry with restrictions, bans, sanctions, tariffs and finally port fees which means any Chinese built will have to pay more per trip.

China will inevitably have to focus on building up its own merchant fleet industry and take market share away from the greeks. That way, Chinese merchant fleet will start serving the entire world other than the US and thus continue to save Chinese shipbuilding industry
 

MortyandRick

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Now that the idea has been disseminated, its bound to happen. US will try to hobble Chinese ship building industry with restrictions, bans, sanctions, tariffs and finally port fees which means any Chinese built will have to pay more per trip.

China will inevitably have to focus on building up its own merchant fleet industry and take market share away from the greeks. That way, Chinese merchant fleet will start serving the entire world other than the US and thus continue to save Chinese shipbuilding industry
This twitter guy is like white version of Colin Koh. He's based in South Korea but all his posts are about china with significant negative bias.

Isn't what he's proposing the same as the Jones Act, but a different version? Wouldn't that just increase shipping cost to the US? Increase inflation ?

Wouldn't his proposal cause the price of Japanese and Korean ships to be priced even higher than Chinese ships, in line with the amount of tax the US imposes on Chinese ships? Then wouldn't it make shipping companies buy predominately Chinese ships for the rest of the world, except for the US?
 

jli88

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This twitter guy is like white version of Colin Koh. He's based in South Korea but all his posts are about china with significant negative bias.

Isn't what he's proposing the same as the Jones Act, but a different version? Wouldn't that just increase shipping cost to the US? Increase inflation ?

Wouldn't his proposal cause the price of Japanese and Korean ships to be priced even higher than Chinese ships, in line with the amount of tax the US imposes on Chinese ships? Then wouldn't it make shipping companies buy predominately Chinese ships for the rest of the world, except for the US?

Few trends that will help China:
  1. US is becoming self sufficient in energy, so no need to use ships to transport LNG, Oil, or materials to the US. Decreased demand for ship traffic to US.
  2. US ports don't support super large carriers, so again low demand on that route for those types of higher tech ships.
  3. US in general doesn't do a lot of intermediary processing which involves a lot of import, export, re-import, re-export sort of stuff. Only final goods, so lower demand.
  4. US also trades more of the higher value added stuff that is often transported via cargo aircraft rather than ships.

What would be helpful is to know how much container traffic, LNG, Bulk material travels to and fro US.
 

henrik

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This twitter guy is like white version of Colin Koh. He's based in South Korea but all his posts are about china with significant negative bias.

Isn't what he's proposing the same as the Jones Act, but a different version? Wouldn't that just increase shipping cost to the US? Increase inflation ?

Wouldn't his proposal cause the price of Japanese and Korean ships to be priced even higher than Chinese ships, in line with the amount of tax the US imposes on Chinese ships? Then wouldn't it make shipping companies buy predominately Chinese ships for the rest of the world, except for the US?

Why is Singapore tolerating this Colin Koh guy?
 

vincent

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Now that the idea has been disseminated, its bound to happen. US will try to hobble Chinese ship building industry with restrictions, bans, sanctions, tariffs and finally port fees which means any Chinese built will have to pay more per trip.

China will inevitably have to focus on building up its own merchant fleet industry and take market share away from the greeks. That way, Chinese merchant fleet will start serving the entire world other than the US and thus continue to save Chinese shipbuilding industry

i have written in another thread: China can charge 10x port fees for non-Chinese built ships. If US can force shippers to use Japs or Korean built ships to dock at her ports, so can China. Which country has more ship traffics?
 

THX 1138

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i have written in another thread: China can charge 10x port fees for non-Chinese built ships. If US can force shippers to use Japs or Korean built ships to dock at her ports, so can China. Which country has more ship traffics?

Port fees will raise the cost of trading with the US and with China. Other nations (like India) will benefit at their expense.

Draconian port fees will discourage foreign trade in both countries. But China is more reliant on foreign trade than the US, and so they will likely suffer a greater share of this self-inflicted damage.
 

vincent

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Port fees will raise the cost of trading with the US and with China. Other nations (like India) will benefit at their expense.

Draconian port fees will discourage foreign trade in both countries. But China is more reliant on foreign trade than the US, and so they will likely suffer a greater share of this self-inflicted damage.
Please read my post again. China can charge extra port fees for non-Chinese built ships. Chinese-built ones don’t get charged.
 
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