Chinese shipbuilding industry

Spartan95

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In the commercial shipbuilding industry, the "high end" ships are cruise liners, LNG (Liquefied Natural Gas) and LPG (Liquefied Petroleum Gas) carriers. This portion of the commercial shipbuilding industry is still dominated by RoK, Japanese and European shipyards.

However, PRC shipyards are closing the gap in this areas. I don't think they have built a cruise liner for 1 of the more established international cruise companies, however they are starting to build LNG carriers. It's only a matter of time before they also become the world's most advanced shipyards (they are already the world's largest). Combine that with the low cost of labour and it becomes a truly potent combination that will squeeze the market share out of other competitors.
 

Hendrik_2000

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today there are many engine makers. And the question "why indigenous" can be answered in that one day the USA can pressure those countries where this companies are located, to not sell engines/propellers anymore to china. Thats why. In terms of military tech, china must thrive to be 100% indigenous, like the USSR. Only then you will be a true independent military power, not beholden to someon else tech.

Licence built meaning they are domestically sourced.but sometime the licencor witheld some critical part that still need to be imported. But with Zhanzai tradition alive and well China has no problem of copying even the most sensitive technology.ie Su27, J 11.

Again leveraging civilian technology the sophisticated manufacturing,electronic,metallurgy are now in place unlike some years before . Design is not a problem when you have prototype.

The only drawback is IPR but by making small modification you can circumvent the IPR. But they will discourage foreign brand to licence China advanced technology. The size of Chinese market is so tempting, China has no problem finding partner in advanced technology

Russia think by withelding avionic and jet engine China will be prisoner of rusian import for years to come. But surprise they even copy the jet engine, avionic !
 
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MwRYum

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Licence built meaning they are domestically sourced.but sometime the licencor witheld some critical part that still need to be imported. But with Zhanzai tradition alive and well China has no problem of copying even the most sensitive technology.ie Su27, J 11.

Again leveraging civilian technology the sophisticated manufacturing,electronic,metallurgy are now in place unlike some years before . Design is not a problem when you have prototype.

The only drawback is IPR but by making small modification you can circumvent the IPR. But they will discourage foreign brand to licence China advanced technology. The size of Chinese market is so tempting, China has no problem finding partner in advanced technology

Russia think by withelding avionic and jet engine China will be prisoner of rusian import for years to come. But surprise they even copy the jet engine, avionic !

Another way to get around is to buy-out the company that owns the IPR in question, along with the R&D capabilities that made such stuff. With China's growing economical strength, this becomes a reality.

Still, ability to R&D and produce such on their own in China would be another question entirely.
 

kroko

Senior Member
Licence built meaning they are domestically sourced.but sometime the licencor witheld some critical part that still need to be imported. But with Zhanzai tradition alive and well China has no problem of copying even the most sensitive technology.ie Su27, J 11.

Again leveraging civilian technology the sophisticated manufacturing,electronic,metallurgy are now in place unlike some years before . Design is not a problem when you have prototype.

The only drawback is IPR but by making small modification you can circumvent the IPR. But they will discourage foreign brand to licence China advanced technology. The size of Chinese market is so tempting, China has no problem finding partner in advanced technology

Russia think by withelding avionic and jet engine China will be prisoner of rusian import for years to come. But surprise they even copy the jet engine, avionic !

Sure. With enough time, they can copy the engines. However, by the time they leave the factory they will be already outdated, because they were the engines from 10 years ago.

China needs to up R&D on this area. Thats it.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Where is bladerunner You ask at one time about China Yacht industry. Low and behold I find this article Seem like they have thriving Yacht Industry.

China's Next Port of Call: Luxury Yachts
Lower costs and rising wealth fuel growth at mainland boat builders
13-meter yachts get final touches in Nauticstar's Shandong factory Nelson Ching/Bloomberg
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By Frederik Balfour

Caprice Lam took 90 minutes to close his first luxury-yacht sale. That's all the time it took for the customer to step aboard his company's 62-foot, 13 million yuan ($2 million) vessel on China's tropical Hainan Island and order his bank to wire a 35 percent deposit. "I don't even have his card," says Lam, a salesman at Xiamen Hansheng Yacht Building of Fujian province. "He just gave me his cell phone number, called his bank, and paid the deposit."

China's economic growth has resulted in flush times for the country's emerging yacht industry. A half dozen or so Chinese yacht builders are now competing bow to bow against established Western builders like Azimut Yachts, Ferretti Yachts, Princess Yachts International, and Brunswick (BC) for wealthy consumers on the mainland. "This is a sign of China's own industrial confidence," says Ryan Swift, editor-in-chief of Asia-Pacific Boating magazine.

While the number of millionaires in China is estimated at more than 447,000, there are only about 100 Chinese-owned yachts longer than 60 feet, according to Rupert Hoogewerf, who compiles the Hurun Report, which tracks China's wealthy. In the U.S., there were more than 7,000 that size in 2006.

In Zhuhai, Sunbird Yacht is building two vessels for export to a Milan-based shipyard in July. Sunbird's staff of 400 workers is capable of producing only about 20 boats per year, making it a small fry by industry standards. Large-yacht building is new to China and workers lack the skills and experience of their Western counterparts, says Filippo Bertoni, an Italian naval architect from Perugia, Italy, who designed the boats that Sunbird is exporting. "That first boat was like a school boat for them," says Bertoni, who expects the vessel will require 100,000 man hours to make in China, a task that would take an Italian crew 35,000 hours. "For the next boats, they will be faster."

What Sunbird's workers lack in speed, they make up in affordability. Sunbird pays unskilled workers at least 2,000 yuan ($306) per month, rising to three times that for electricians and carpenters, says Charles Luo, vice-president for international business. Although that's more than double the average wage in Guangdong province, it still allows the company to build boats for about 30 percent less than foreign rivals. Another edge for mainland yacht companies: Beijing slaps a 43 percent duty on imported boats.

The largest Chinese-built yacht is a 144-foot steel-and-aluminum-hull vessel still under construction at Kingship Marine's shipyard in Zhongshan, Guangdong province, that carries a price tag of nearly $27 million, says Diana Liang, director at Kingship.

Luxury-yacht builders outfit boats differently for the Chinese market. One reason: Owners need special permits to travel on their yachts between provinces and are restricted to China's coastal waters. For many local buyers, that means it's out with big sun decks and water-sports add-ons popular in the U.S., and in with mahjong salons, karaoke machines, and large galleys. "Europeans go on [a] cruise for 10 days or 2 weeks," says Gordon Hui, managing director of Sunseeker Asia, which sells the Poole (U.K.)-built boats. "The Chinese use the boat for a few hours per weekend to entertain clients, family, and friends. They use boats no differently than they would a karaoke lounge in the city."

To up their game, China's yacht manufacturers are hiring foreign designers or simply acquiring overseas rivals. Hansheng works with U.K.-based design expert Bill Dixon, and some of Sunbird's boats have been crafted by Seattle-based designer Brian Holland. Qingdao Nauticstar Marine paid $20.2 million to buy Italian yacht builder Cantieri Navali di Lavagna last year. "The purpose of the acquisition was to help us tap the global market," says Hou Jie, Nauticstar's general manager. Nauticstar built its first boat in 2003; today it produces craft ranging from a 6.5-foot rubber dinghy costing $3,078 to a 40-foot catamaran complete with four queen-size beds costing $2.1 million. Sales this year should top $154 million, says Hou.

Hudson Yacht & Marine, part of a Xiamen-based group of companies that builds everything from Louisville Slugger baseball bats to medical mattresses, in 2005 began making inflatable craft. Today it builds boats up to 75 feet long for brands including Britain's Pearl Motor Yachts. One customer—Newport, R.I.-based Gunboat—has sold three 60-foot sailing yachts made by Hudson to buyers in Germany, the U.S., and Taiwan. Gunboat's founder, Peter Johnstone, says there's still an anti-"made-in-China" bias to overcome. "There will be naysayers," he says, "however ... the quality and detail is on par with any of the top yards in the world."
 

bladerunner

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Where is bladerunner You ask at one time about China Yacht industry. Low and behold I find this article Seem like they have thriving Yacht Industry.

Here I am Im never far away (curses you might be thinking):D

Very Interesting but Beijing slaps 43% duty on imported boats? whats happened to free trade here?:(

Though I had to have a chuckle when the writer talked about the unskilled labour they used. Over here you wouldn't walk through the doors of a boatbuilder unless you was an apprentice with tech qualifications, skilled tradesman, or master craftsmen, after all that's what the worlds billionaires are paying for.
Anyway they've only just started out Hendrick and as the article points out they still have a lot to learn, but good luck to them anyways.

BTW just for clarification when I asked the question on whether China built luxury yachts, what I had in mind was the type of boat that it was currently building for the first time (144ft and costs tens of millions.) not just large weekend pleasure craft which the bulk of them appear to be.
 
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Hendrik_2000

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Another milestone in Chinese Shipping industry is reached
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China Exclusive: After 3 years and nearly a billion dollars, jumbo deepwater rig delivered to CNOOC08:59, May 24, 2011

A 3,000-meter deepwater jumbo oil drilling platform was delivered in Shanghai Monday to China National Offshore Oil Corp. (CNOOC), the country's largest offshore oil producer, the latest step for China as it seeks more energy from the ocean.

It took 6 billion yuan (923 million U.S. dollars) of investment and more than three years for China State Shipbuilding Corp. (CSSC), the contractor, to build the CNOOC 981 rig for the offshore oil giant.

The platform is 114 meters long, 90 meters wide and 137.8 meters high, and weighs 31,000 tonnes. With a deck the size of a standard football field, the rig is capable of undertaking an offshore operation at a maximum water depth of 3,000 meters and drilling a length of 12,000 meters, according to CSSC.

Equipped with third-generation dynamic and global positioning systems, the CNOOC 981 can withstand the vibrations brought by a massive typhoon.

Zhang Guobao, director of the Committee of Experts with the National Energy Commission, said the successful construction of the rig would have a strategic significance for China to boost deepwater oil drilling capability and help secure national marine resources.

"It will also help achieve the goal set by our national strategic plan," said Zhang, former head of China's National Energy Administration.

China relies on imports for more than half of its oil consumption, so it's eager to diversify its energy sources on land and through deepwater drilling to fuel its robust economic growth.

Wang Yilin, Chairman of CNOOC, said the company sees the delivery of the jumbo rig as a good opportunity to strengthen its efforts in deepwater oil exploration and ensure energy security for the country.

According to CNOOC, the rig will be installed in waters of the South China Sea and begin oil and gas prospecting in July.

The South China Sea is one of the most important natural gas and oil production bases for CNOOC, which produced more than 50 million tonnes of oil equivalent in China's marine areas last year.

CNOOC plans to invest 200 billion yuan and drill 800 deepwater wells and raise its deepwater oil and gas output to 500 million oil equivalent by 2020.

China imported 84.96 million tonnes of crude oil in the first four months this year, up 11.5 percent from a year earlier, while imports of refined oil products rose 18.6 percent year-on-year to 14.25 million tonnes in the period, according to government statistics.
 

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 1月4日,黄埔造船与交通运输部救助打捞局再次牵手合作,签订了3艘8000千瓦海洋救助船(第16-18号船)建造合同,这是黄埔造船自2004年以来与交通运输部救助打捞局签订建造的第五批8000千瓦海洋救助船。至去年7月8日止,黄埔造船圆满完成了前四批共15艘8000千瓦海洋救助船建造任务。

  当天,黄埔造船还与交通运输部救助打捞局签署了战略合作框架协议,标志着双方的合作关系进一步得到巩固和加强。交通运输部救助打捞局局长宋家慧等领导出席合同签字仪式。 来源:中国船舶在线

Huangpu signed a contract to build 3 more 8000 kw ocean rescue ships. This is the 5th batch of such ocean rescue ships since 2004. They delivered the 4 batch of a total of 15 by July 8th (if you remember, those East/North/South Rescue 116 were the last batch).
 

franco-russe

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Interesting. A total of 15 so far means that China Rescue skipped the 4’s:

Bei Hai Jiu 111-113, 115-116
Dong Hai Jiu 111-113, 115-116
Nan Hai Jiu 111-113, 115-116
 

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