Chinese semiconductor thread II

tokenanalyst

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More like article that try to manipulate the stock price.
There aren´t any stocks in lithography to put money on. If the article was posted in Sohu or Weibo I wouldn´t posted but ijiwei has quite good track record when come on reporting about the industry. It was deleted by the editor because it was drawing too much attention. The numbers kinda meet I would expect approximate enough WPH to meet the demand 175 WPH and overlay correlates to what a SMEE staff told to a Korean industrial reporter in SEMICON China 2026.
 

tokenanalyst

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There are stocks that supply components to lithography machines. Overall semiconductor stocks will also rise.
The only relevant company in lithography stock in China would be MLOptics and that its, none of the relevant suppliers are listed as far I understand. UPrecision, Qier Electromechanical, GOPPTIX, RSLASER and so on. If they were listed it wouldn´t so much opacity regarding this topic because by law they can´t obfuscated to investors.
 

sunnymaxi

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The only relevant company is lithography stock in China would be MLOptics and that its, none of the relevant suppliers are listed as far I understand. UPrecision, Qier Electromechanical, GOPPTIX, RSLASER and so on. If they were listed it wouldn´t so much opacity regarding this topic because by law they can´t obfuscated to investors.
Chinese tech and Ai stock these days are already pretty much hot. Huahong stock rose 25 percent despite US sanctions.
 

tokenanalyst

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U-Precision did an IPO back in 2021 and that is how this debate with hvpc about the immersion machine started here because they were forced to publish information about their wafer stages.
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To start the SMEE is not even listed. But yeah, non relevant suppliers are listed UPrecision, Qier Electromechanical, GOPPTIX, RSLASER.
 

tokenanalyst

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Don't underestimate the determination of self-media to hype up the stock market.
I see it more in Weibo and Sohu that in that website, I have been posting from them for while if you see my history, they don´t do as much hype as others websites, they mostly professional industrial website.

Even then, let suppose they are trying to hype the two or three lithography stocks , its correlate with other news that we had posted and news from Korea from SEMICON China 2026 SMEE staff.

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This from MLOptics stock website and that is the kind of information that you would see from others relevant domestic suppliers.

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tokenanalyst

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OK, let ignored of all the evidence, they definitely are not producing advanced immersion lithography machines, despite having 10 years developing them, lets ignore that the basic patenting and research of immersion machines has literally cold stop AND they are definitely not in an advance stage in EUV lithography despite the evidence pointing to the production of Pellicles who are essential for mass production. They can make the entire KLA, LAM, AMAT, TEL and more catalog except that one godlike machine. They are as good in optic as KLA but lithography? Nah man Chinese engineers don´t even know what that is. The precision measurement Industry in China is like ten meters sigma 3 compared to other countries. Those picometer grating interferometers, high end optics, FlexRay type illumination systems and maglev wafers stages are just hype for the markets

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AndrewS

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well, it's just needed for the most critical layer IIRC?

so basically, this can fully replace 1980i IIRC (although at lower process rate).


Where are you getting this? It's in fact likely that SMEE just concentrate on ramping Arf/Arfi scanner production because their WPH rate is likely lower than that of ASML machines. So, they would concentrate on delivering to top end labs.


if you read the article. It says the machine being used is already at 90-95% yield. Which is quite significant.
And that they are delivering 5-8 in Q2

I guess you can compensate with multiple machines? SSA800 is likely less economical than ASML machines to start off. But given the latter might not have maintenance, seems like worth the trade off.

Remember that ASML operate with profit margins of about 100%. So of the sales price, half is profit and the other half is the actual cost of a lithography machine.

If the SMEE machine only has half the throughout and costs half as much, then there is rough cost/performance parity
 
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