Chinese semiconductor thread II

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Chinese chip firms say they can withstand new US export curbs​


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BEIJING/SEOUL (Reuters) - Chinese chip companies targeted by Washington with fresh export controls have vowed to speed up supply chain localisation and said they would be able to continue production thanks to recent efforts to build equipment stockpiles.

The latest curbs, the third U.S. crackdown on the Chinese sector in three years, focused on chipmaking equipment, software and high-bandwidth memory. They restrict exports to 140 companies, including chip equipment maker Naura Technology Group and ACM Research.

Empyrean, a maker of electronic design automation (EDA) tools also known as Beijing Huada Jiutian Technology, said its inclusion on the list would have little impact on operations.

"The company will seize the development opportunity to accelerate the localisation process of full-process EDA tools," it said in a stock market statement.

Jiangsu Nata Opto-Electronic Material, which manufactures materials used in chipmaking, told Chinese news outlet Yicai it had stocked up and would also make domestic substitutions, but did not provide specifics.

Others, such as semiconductor test systems provider Beijing Huafeng Test & Control Technology, said they had already fully localised their supply chain, the 21st Century Business Herald newspaper reported.

While Chinese authorities called the move "economic coercion", the measures appeared to have little impact on chip-making stocks, which rose slightly on Tuesday as analysts said the curbs were less stringent than feared.

MANAGEABLE DISRUPTION

The U.S. curbs target the "weakest spot" in the Chinese semiconductor industry, which relies heavily on foreign equipment for manufacturing, said Martijn Rasser, managing director at Datenna, a data intelligence platform focused on China's technology.

Capital expenditure by the Chinese chip industry next year will likely fall by $10 billion, or about 30% year-on-year, to $35 billion, as a result of these curbs, Jefferies analysts said in a note.

But other analysts said the curbs may not have the desired effect as Chinese chip firms have since last year ramped up purchases of foreign made equipment from the likes of Dutch lithography machine maker ASML and U.S. toolmaker Lam Research.

For the first nine months of this year, China's imports of semiconductor equipment increased by a third to $24.12 billion, according to data from China Customs.

"This was as close to the continuation of the status quo in terms of it's making things very difficult for manufacturers at the leading-edge but it's not going to disrupt that progress any more than the existing regulations," said Jeff Koch, an analyst at research group SemiAnalysis.

CXMT EXCLUSION

The exclusion from the entity list of ChangXin Memory Technologies (CXMT), China's leading manufacturer of a key component in AI chips, surprised some.

The Biden administration says the restrictions are aimed at limiting China's ability to access and produce chips that advance AI for military applications or threaten U.S. national security.

Shares of some South Korean equipment suppliers to CXMT firmed on Tuesday after its exclusion. CXMT did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

"The development has brought short-term relief to South Korea's chip sector, as their China-bound revenue is unlikely to be significantly affected for now," said Ryu Young-ho, an analyst at NH Investment & Securities. Shares of Jusung Engineering, a CXMT supplier, were up 7.7% in morning trading, after falling nearly 7% the previous session amid concerns about the pending restrictions. Mirae Corp, a South Korean chip equipment maker that derived about 15% of its total revenue from CXMT in the first half of this year, signed about 9 billion won ($6.41 million) worth of supply deals with CXMT this year so far. Its shares rose 1.4% in morning trade, extending gains of 7% in the previous session.
 

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The 99,899th sanction is really losing it's hype value and now it just looks like a sign of desperation. At some point, you are essentially just going ban all semiconductor trade, then just do it. None of this pathetic piecemeal incremental approach.
 

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Do the Americans really know that? All actions points to them thinking a full sanction is doable and then being disappointed when it doesn't work. Eg Huawei sanctions.
They don't, US officials didn't even know the difference between wafers and packaged chip until last year and had to scramble to fund packaging, and they didn't know most chips are mature node until this year and had to scramble to sanction DUV. Every sanction is just them attending another class in school.

There are consequences to having a political system that has no respect for merit.
 

tokenanalyst

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They don't, US officials didn't even know the difference between wafers and packaged chip until last year and had to scramble to fund packaging, and they didn't know most chips are mature node until this year and had to scramble to sanction DUV. Every sanction is just them attending another class in school.

There are consequences to having a political system that has no respect for merit.
If you see the list of companies that these overpaid stooges put in the entity list some of those are not even equipment, materials or software, they are capital investment. E-Town doesn't make equipment or chips on its own, invest in companies that do so, export controls make no sense in these companies.
Also a lot of these exports controls are basically an unenforceable mess that its FUD is making Chinese companies and global companies rethinking of using US technology in their products. Or at least in the eyes of China the US is becoming just a giant gas food station store, because as now gas and food are only things that China can reliable get from the US until corn become a "National Security" threat and the stooges put export controls on that too. Is idiotic.
 

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A number of listed companies have been included in the US entity list. The company responded that the impact is minimal

On December 3, the A-share
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fell sharply. During the trading day,
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and other stocks fell by more than 4% at one point. As of the market close, the
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index fell 1.27%.

In terms of news, the US Department of Commerce announced on December 2, 2024 local time, that the Bureau of Industry and Security of the US Department of Commerce had added 140 entities to the Entity List for export control.

According to a reporter's analysis, this round of “entity list” involves 136 Chinese-related entities, mostly related to
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manufacturing equipment, including major domestic enterprises such as thin film deposition, ion implantation, photoresist development, CMP and EDA, such as
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Many listed companies responded that the impact is relatively small

On December 3, some listed companies responded to being included in the “entity list” and said they would respond actively.

The relevant person in charge of
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, saying that at present, 90% of the company's revenue comes from the domestic market, and less than 10% comes from overseas markets. It is expected that the impact will be relatively small. In addition, in recent years, the company has mainly focused on the development of a controllable supply chain layout.

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announced that the company has been included in the entity list by the US Department of Commerce and is actively responding to possible risks. The impact of being included in the entity list by the US is generally controllable. Currently, the company's operations and financial situation are normal, and all businesses are progressing steadily. The company will seize the opportunity for development and accelerate the localization of the entire process of EDA tools.

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responded that the US's release of semiconductor export control measures is not expected to have a significant impact on the company. Regarding the impact of these measures on the company, the company has already laid the groundwork four or five years ago to respond to external measures, mainly in terms of the production and sales of parts and components. At the same time, the company's key components have been fully self-produced, and the sales area is also mainly for the domestic market.

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responded that, after assessment, there is currently no substantial impact. The company has achieved independent control of most of its core components and has established a stable supply relationship with suppliers. The company will continue to pay attention to the impact of this incident and communicate with suppliers and customers.

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responded that there is no substantial impact. A small number of parts procurement may be restricted, but the company has already stocked up and will also make domestic substitutes. At present, the company's raw materials are mainly supplied domestically.

This will force the domestic production process to accelerate

In addition, many analysts have pointed out that the market has already predicted the renewal of US semiconductor sanctions against China. Since the relevant companies have already made preparations in advance, the actual impact in the short term will be limited. In the long term, they will need to become self-reliant and self-sufficient, which is expected to further accelerate the process of domestic production across the entire industry chain.

Ping An Securities believes that this move by the United States will further fragment the global semiconductor market and will also force the domestic ICT industry to accelerate the process of localization. China is an important market for semiconductor products and equipment in the world. In the current complex international environment, China is also one of the few regions in the world with active investment in semiconductor production capacity. In particular, the high demand for advanced equipment restricts exports to China and may also restrict the development of US companies themselves.

Yu Xiaoming, a senior investment consultant at Jufeng Investment Consulting, told a reporter from the Securities Daily that this matter will have a certain negative effect on the semiconductor sector in the short term. In the long term, US sanctions will force the whole industry chain to accelerate localization, highlighting the demand for localization of core technologies such as semiconductors. Domestic industry chain enterprises have a strong desire to increase localization rates, and the localization of semiconductor parts enterprises will further accelerate. The trend of equipment enterprises to localize is clear, and advanced packaging is playing an increasing role in the field of
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. The position of foundries as a core strategic asset for advanced domestic semiconductor alternatives is being strengthened, bringing more market potential and development opportunities to domestic semiconductor companies.
 

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Qingsoft Micro-View: SiC wafer defect inspection equipment shipped


On November 26, the official Weibo account of Qingruan Weishi announced that its Omega 9880 patternless wafer defect inspection equipment developed and produced by the company was once again successfully shipped and delivered to a leading customer in the industry.

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It is reported that the Omega 9880 equipment accurately meets the diverse needs of SiC material testing and can fully cover 4, 6, and 8-inch SiC substrates and epitaxial wafers, covering multiple core links such as substrate factory shipment final inspection, epitaxial factory incoming material inspection, epitaxial wafer shipment final inspection, and chip factory incoming material inspection.

At present, Omega 9880 has successfully completed verification work in the production environments of many leading domestic customers.

It is worth mentioning that Qingruan Microvision has officially participated in the compilation of the "2024 Silicon Carbide (SiC) Industry Research White Paper" , and will work with many industry companies to deeply analyze the context of the silicon carbide industry. The "White Paper" will be released at the "Experts Talking about the Third Generation Half-Yearly Meeting" held in Shenzhen on December 11 this year .

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Of course USA will still end up buying those rare earths from China. The goal isn't to stop or block off USA, the goal is to make their products prohibitively expensive.

China isn't USA, they aren't stupid. You can't just block your way to victory. China's actions are purely to raise costs for USA, knowing that China will have cheaper parts and thus be better on the market.
Much like China still gets SME and Nvidia top of the line chips. The point is to throw sand in the gears and increase costs, complexity and time, both US and China know that absolute bans won't work and sanctions are permeable.
that's why you block all export of Ga. Nvidia chips get smuggled, because they are easy to be smuggled through and they are exported everywhere.

Smuggling out metals and GPUs are quite different. One is in tons and can be scanned and the other you can just carry in your luggage.

btw, post quality not so great today, please raise your games, everyone.
 

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Big Language Model Accelerates Semiconductor Manufacturing CIM2.0 Transformation​


As the only engineering intelligent system supplier in China that has launched multiple 12-inch mass production lines , Zhixian Future enthusiastically participated in this exhibition and delivered a keynote speech at the conference, deeply demonstrating the innovative application results of AI- enabled engineering intelligent systems in high-end manufacturing fields such as semiconductors , attracting many professional visitors and industry experts to stop and communicate, and the atmosphere of on-site communication was extremely warm.

At this conference, artificial intelligence and big language models are still hot topics and key topics of concern to the entire industry. Therefore, the special forum on artificial intelligence and big model chips is one of the most popular forums of this conference. Future, gave a wonderful sharing of "Big Language Model Accelerates the Transformation of Semiconductor Manufacturing CIM2.0" , deeply analyzed the development trend of CIM system, and the ideas and thoughts of reconstructing CIM2.0 by using big language models.

Upgrading the CIM system is an inevitable choice for semiconductor intelligent manufacturing

As we all know, the CIM system is known as the brain and nerves of semiconductor manufacturing. It consists of three major components: the manufacturing system (represented by MES (Manufacturing Execution System), responsible for scheduling/tracking/reporting), the engineering system (represented by EES (Equipment Engineering System), responsible for monitoring/analysis/control), and the product system (represented by YMS (Yield Management System), responsible for yield improvement/enhanced management). The manufacturing system can realize the automation of factory production and continuous operation; while the engineering system and product management system determine whether the factory can ultimately be in a leading position.

However, the current CIM system faces many bottlenecks in the process of intelligent transformation, such as data islands and information islands, insufficient system flexibility and scalability, poor human-computer interaction experience, and difficulties in knowledge accumulation and inheritance.

At the same time, with the rapid evolution of semiconductor data from increasing information to massive information and then to information overload, the factory management system in CIM1.0 and the big data platform that finds data correlations through big data mining can no longer meet the needs of semiconductor manufacturing. Upgrading the CIM system has become an inevitable choice for semiconductor intelligent manufacturing.

The new generation of CIM2.0 is endowed with the ability of a recommendation system , similar to ByteDance's recommendation system, which transforms the relationship between users and wafer information into a two-way relationship , allowing effective wafer information to be clustered from overloaded information and pushed to users in a targeted manner, creating a smarter, more efficient and more flexible CIM 2.0 system.

Large language model + CIM2.0,

Drawing a blueprint for smart manufacturing of the "factory of the future"


The big language model will bring a new paradigm to the CIM system . The original system is based on people-centeredness, such as adjusting data in tool A, doing analysis in tool B, and making reports in tool C. The big language model can simplify the use of complex tools and help engineers to automatically complete tasks such as data . The big language model acts as a super copilot or even an online expert "master" , breaking the " data island" and solving the problems of difficulty in knowledge accumulation and insufficient talent supply in the manufacturing industry.

Big models - AI Agents have exploded with new value in the manufacturing field. The emergence of its core capabilities has helped manufacturing companies efficiently complete many high-level tasks such as data mining and analysis, advanced logical reasoning, self-learning feedback knowledge, decision-making assistance, automated workshops and production lines, etc. The combination of big models and CIM systems will reshape the smart engine in the manufacturing field and allow intelligent manufacturing to move to a higher level of development.​
 
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