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antiterror13

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So SMIC N+2 the true 7nm is about to go to trial production as stated in the article, hope it will be successful, if it does will SMIC risk sanction and produce it? Or they're confident that the domestic equipment will be available? As we know with a few tweak if you master the 14nm finfet tech going down 7nm is much easier especially if SMEE 28 DUVL can deliver as advertise.

SMIC is about to trial-produce 7nm chips. Will Huawei's core shortage problem be solved?​

2021-08-25 23:52:59 HKT

Recently, some media reported that SMIC is about to trial-produce 7nm chips this month, and strive to achieve mass production targets in October this year. It is understood that SMIC's trial production of 7nm chips is not using advanced EUV lithography machines, but plans to trial production of 7nm chips through the DUV process. At present, semiconductor manufacturers that have achieved 7nm chip production in the world basically use EUV lithography machines for production. However, because Chinese semiconductor companies lack such advanced lithography machines, SMIC can only achieve this through DUV lithography machines. The goal of mass production of 7nm chips.
Boundary Reading|SMIC is about to trial-produce 7nm chips. Will Huawei's core shortage problem be solved?'s core shortage problem be solved?


As the largest and most technologically advanced integrated circuit manufacturer in mainland China, SMIC's position in the domestic semiconductor field is very high. The industry has always regarded it as the core force to break through the localization of semiconductors. Trial production of the 7nm process has attracted expectations from all walks of life. If SMIC really achieves mass production of the 7nm process, its significance is very significant. It will not only greatly enhance SMIC's position in the international semiconductor field, but also It also means that the core shortage dilemma that Huawei is facing is expected to be resolved.

Boundary Reading|SMIC is about to trial-produce 7nm chips. Will Huawei's core shortage problem be solved?'s core shortage problem be solved?


Although the current chip technology has developed to 3nm and 2nm, and even some semiconductor manufacturers have prepared to advance to the process below 1nm, that is, the Amy process, in fact, in all advanced processes, the process that has achieved mass production has only reached 5nm. And there are only a handful of semiconductor manufacturers in the world. Even the semiconductor giant Intel is still stuck at 7nm and has not broken through 5nm. If SMIC successfully mass-produces 7nm chips, it may not be able to compare with established foundries such as TSMC and Samsung in terms of yield and capacity, but it should not be difficult to meet domestic market demand.
Boundary Reading|SMIC is about to trial-produce 7nm chips. Will Huawei's core shortage problem be solved?'s core shortage problem be solved?

As far as the current chip market is concerned, the market demand for the 7nm process is very large. Many of Huawei's Kirin chips are based on the 7nm process, such as Kirin 990 and Kirin 990 5G. As the United States cut the supply of Huawei's chips, Huawei's 7nm chips are actually in a state of being out of supply. Therefore, SMIC's mass production of 7nm chips is of great significance to Huawei. This is related to whether Huawei's chip crisis can be effectively alleviated. It is worth mentioning that, as the domestic chip industry is showing a blowout development, in addition to Huawei, many domestic companies' chip orders have flocked to SMIC. It is conceivable that after SMIC achieves mass production of 7nm chips, Its orders will be full again, and its production capacity may even enter a state of full load.
Boundary Reading|SMIC is about to trial-produce 7nm chips. Will Huawei's core shortage problem be solved?'s core shortage problem be solved?


I have to admit that the development speed of SMIC has been getting faster and faster in recent years, especially after entering 2021. In February and March of this year, SMIC frequently reported good news, allowing China's semiconductor industry to see the realization of semiconductors. The hope of localization. Although it started late, the strength of SMIC is undeniable. Take its latest breakthrough 14nm process. With continuous research and development, the yield rate of SMIC's 14nm process has increased to about 95%, and it can be compared with TSMC. Samsung Electronics is comparable. I believe that this time SMIC can create surprises again, break through the 7nm process, and help the development of "China Core".
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TSMC still producing 7nm with DUV, and the first 7nm for 1-2 yrs was produced solely by DUV .. the author didin't know what he/she was talking about

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And mind you it uses LongArch Instruction Set.

The problem with GPUs is that it all translates to how good your software ecosystem is. The development that Nvidia and AMD have dedicated to their software ecosystems is almost as great as the architecture of the GPU itself. One option would be to make the drivers open source and let the community do the work for you, but that requires all ISA specifications of the GPU to be published.

After a little looking around it looks like there's a GPU coming down the pipeline too,
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it lacks DirectX 12 and Vulcan, which I guess reflects tokenanalyst's comment that the software ecosystem isn't there yet.

Similarly with the Loongsoon CPU, it looks like it'll only run Linux for now.

So the hardware is slowly getting there, but the software isn't yet. I would've thought the software would've been the easy part but, guess not.

Its honestly a bit of a shame because performance at the level of a 6th-gen Intel Core and a GTX 1080 would be a pretty decent gamer PC for the right price. Its actually an upgrade to what I'm running right now.
 

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So SMIC N+2 the true 7nm is about to go to trial production as stated in the article, hope it will be successful, if it does will SMIC risk sanction and produce it? Or they're confident that the domestic equipment will be available? As we know with a few tweak if you master the 14nm finfet tech going down 7nm is much easier especially if SMEE 28 DUVL can deliver as advertise.

SMIC is about to trial-produce 7nm chips. Will Huawei's core shortage problem be solved?​

2021-08-25 23:52:59 HKT

Recently, some media reported that SMIC is about to trial-produce 7nm chips this month, and strive to achieve mass production targets in October this year. It is understood that SMIC's trial production of 7nm chips is not using advanced EUV lithography machines, but plans to trial production of 7nm chips through the DUV process. At present, semiconductor manufacturers that have achieved 7nm chip production in the world basically use EUV lithography machines for production. However, because Chinese semiconductor companies lack such advanced lithography machines, SMIC can only achieve this through DUV lithography machines. The goal of mass production of 7nm chips.
Boundary Reading|SMIC is about to trial-produce 7nm chips. Will Huawei's core shortage problem be solved?'s core shortage problem be solved?


As the largest and most technologically advanced integrated circuit manufacturer in mainland China, SMIC's position in the domestic semiconductor field is very high. The industry has always regarded it as the core force to break through the localization of semiconductors. Trial production of the 7nm process has attracted expectations from all walks of life. If SMIC really achieves mass production of the 7nm process, its significance is very significant. It will not only greatly enhance SMIC's position in the international semiconductor field, but also It also means that the core shortage dilemma that Huawei is facing is expected to be resolved.

Boundary Reading|SMIC is about to trial-produce 7nm chips. Will Huawei's core shortage problem be solved?'s core shortage problem be solved?


Although the current chip technology has developed to 3nm and 2nm, and even some semiconductor manufacturers have prepared to advance to the process below 1nm, that is, the Amy process, in fact, in all advanced processes, the process that has achieved mass production has only reached 5nm. And there are only a handful of semiconductor manufacturers in the world. Even the semiconductor giant Intel is still stuck at 7nm and has not broken through 5nm. If SMIC successfully mass-produces 7nm chips, it may not be able to compare with established foundries such as TSMC and Samsung in terms of yield and capacity, but it should not be difficult to meet domestic market demand.
Boundary Reading|SMIC is about to trial-produce 7nm chips. Will Huawei's core shortage problem be solved?'s core shortage problem be solved?

As far as the current chip market is concerned, the market demand for the 7nm process is very large. Many of Huawei's Kirin chips are based on the 7nm process, such as Kirin 990 and Kirin 990 5G. As the United States cut the supply of Huawei's chips, Huawei's 7nm chips are actually in a state of being out of supply. Therefore, SMIC's mass production of 7nm chips is of great significance to Huawei. This is related to whether Huawei's chip crisis can be effectively alleviated. It is worth mentioning that, as the domestic chip industry is showing a blowout development, in addition to Huawei, many domestic companies' chip orders have flocked to SMIC. It is conceivable that after SMIC achieves mass production of 7nm chips, Its orders will be full again, and its production capacity may even enter a state of full load.
Boundary Reading|SMIC is about to trial-produce 7nm chips. Will Huawei's core shortage problem be solved?'s core shortage problem be solved?


I have to admit that the development speed of SMIC has been getting faster and faster in recent years, especially after entering 2021. In February and March of this year, SMIC frequently reported good news, allowing China's semiconductor industry to see the realization of semiconductors. The hope of localization. Although it started late, the strength of SMIC is undeniable. Take its latest breakthrough 14nm process. With continuous research and development, the yield rate of SMIC's 14nm process has increased to about 95%, and it can be compared with TSMC. Samsung Electronics is comparable. I believe that this time SMIC can create surprises again, break through the 7nm process, and help the development of "China Core".
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Huawei 7nm smartphones would be dominating the market. An export tax on the iPhone, combined with 5% appreciation of the rmb, will send Apple scrambling and the US stock market into disarray.
 

WTAN

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So SMIC N+2 the true 7nm is about to go to trial production as stated in the article, hope it will be successful, if it does will SMIC risk sanction and produce it? Or they're confident that the domestic equipment will be available? As we know with a few tweak if you master the 14nm finfet tech going down 7nm is much easier especially if SMEE 28 DUVL can deliver as advertise.

SMIC is about to trial-produce 7nm chips. Will Huawei's core shortage problem be solved?​

2021-08-25 23:52:59 HKT

Recently, some media reported that SMIC is about to trial-produce 7nm chips this month, and strive to achieve mass production targets in October this year. It is understood that SMIC's trial production of 7nm chips is not using advanced EUV lithography machines, but plans to trial production of 7nm chips through the DUV process. At present, semiconductor manufacturers that have achieved 7nm chip production in the world basically use EUV lithography machines for production. However, because Chinese semiconductor companies lack such advanced lithography machines, SMIC can only achieve this through DUV lithography machines. The goal of mass production of 7nm chips.
Boundary Reading|SMIC is about to trial-produce 7nm chips. Will Huawei's core shortage problem be solved?'s core shortage problem be solved?


As the largest and most technologically advanced integrated circuit manufacturer in mainland China, SMIC's position in the domestic semiconductor field is very high. The industry has always regarded it as the core force to break through the localization of semiconductors. Trial production of the 7nm process has attracted expectations from all walks of life. If SMIC really achieves mass production of the 7nm process, its significance is very significant. It will not only greatly enhance SMIC's position in the international semiconductor field, but also It also means that the core shortage dilemma that Huawei is facing is expected to be resolved.

Boundary Reading|SMIC is about to trial-produce 7nm chips. Will Huawei's core shortage problem be solved?'s core shortage problem be solved?


Although the current chip technology has developed to 3nm and 2nm, and even some semiconductor manufacturers have prepared to advance to the process below 1nm, that is, the Amy process, in fact, in all advanced processes, the process that has achieved mass production has only reached 5nm. And there are only a handful of semiconductor manufacturers in the world. Even the semiconductor giant Intel is still stuck at 7nm and has not broken through 5nm. If SMIC successfully mass-produces 7nm chips, it may not be able to compare with established foundries such as TSMC and Samsung in terms of yield and capacity, but it should not be difficult to meet domestic market demand.
Boundary Reading|SMIC is about to trial-produce 7nm chips. Will Huawei's core shortage problem be solved?'s core shortage problem be solved?

As far as the current chip market is concerned, the market demand for the 7nm process is very large. Many of Huawei's Kirin chips are based on the 7nm process, such as Kirin 990 and Kirin 990 5G. As the United States cut the supply of Huawei's chips, Huawei's 7nm chips are actually in a state of being out of supply. Therefore, SMIC's mass production of 7nm chips is of great significance to Huawei. This is related to whether Huawei's chip crisis can be effectively alleviated. It is worth mentioning that, as the domestic chip industry is showing a blowout development, in addition to Huawei, many domestic companies' chip orders have flocked to SMIC. It is conceivable that after SMIC achieves mass production of 7nm chips, Its orders will be full again, and its production capacity may even enter a state of full load.
Boundary Reading|SMIC is about to trial-produce 7nm chips. Will Huawei's core shortage problem be solved?'s core shortage problem be solved?


I have to admit that the development speed of SMIC has been getting faster and faster in recent years, especially after entering 2021. In February and March of this year, SMIC frequently reported good news, allowing China's semiconductor industry to see the realization of semiconductors. The hope of localization. Although it started late, the strength of SMIC is undeniable. Take its latest breakthrough 14nm process. With continuous research and development, the yield rate of SMIC's 14nm process has increased to about 95%, and it can be compared with TSMC. Samsung Electronics is comparable. I believe that this time SMIC can create surprises again, break through the 7nm process, and help the development of "China Core".
Read the latest global technology and analyze industry trends in depth
Looks like SMICs trial production of N+1 and N+2 is going according to plan this year.
They are using the Equipment in their latest 14nm FAB to do the job and it appears it is going well.
It also looks like the Trial production of N+1 in April has been sucessful and they now have capability to produce the 8nm Chip.
The plans for the Trial production of the N+2 7nm Chip this month should also be sucessful.
Looks like the US Embargo failed to stop the SMIC N+1 and N+2 and with more localised Equipment coming online it will almost certainly go into mass production sometime next year.
 

ansy1968

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Looks like SMICs trial production of N+1 and N+2 is going according to plan this year.
They are using the Equipment in their latest 14nm FAB to do the job and it appears it is going well.
It also looks like the Trial production of N+1 in April has been sucessful and they now have capability to produce the 8nm Chip.
The plans for the Trial production of the N+2 7nm Chip this month should also be sucessful.
Looks like the US Embargo failed to stop the SMIC N+1 and N+2 and with more localised Equipment coming online it will almost certainly go into mass production sometime next year.
@WTAN sir what will the US action be, more sanction or let the restriction down from 7nm to 5nm? From what I understand SMIC seems so confident and with the US China hostilities they know the consequences. Maybe they were comforted by the fact that the gov't had its full support , or they had seen the result of 14nm verification and the progress of the domestic equipment provider. The way things are developing SMIC is trying to break the impasse and go for broke and see who blink first, with the American objective of stealing TSMC 5nm tech had been achieved, it become a trivial thing to them.
 
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