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Xizor

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To the experts, PingTouGe is equivalent to Huawei Hisilicon?

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Alibaba's chip arm unveils new processor​

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Semiconductor, the chip division of Chinese e-commerce giant Alibaba, today announced a new processor in its Xuantie series - the Xuantie 907.
The processor is optimized for the open-source RISC-V architecture and can be used in microprocessors, intelligent voice, navigation and positioning, storage control, and other applications. The processor has been licensed to several companies.
The Xuantie 907 operates at a maximum frequency of more than 1GHz and achieves a unit performance of 3.8 Coremark/MHz.
Alibaba's chip arm unveils new processor-CnTechPost's chip arm unveils new processor-CnTechPost

The processor implements the latest DSP instruction standard of RISC-V for the first time, and is suitable for real-time computing scenarios with high computational performance requirements such as storage and industrial control.

PingTouGe, a wholly-owned semiconductor chip business entity of Alibaba, was established in September 2018 to develop data center and embedded IoT chip products for the new architecture of next-generation cloud all-in-one chips.
Since its establishment in 2018, PingTouGe has launched several products, including AI chip Hanguang 800, RISC-V processor Xuantie 910, and one-stop chip design platform "Wujian", of which Hanguang 800 is Alibaba's first chip.
PingTouGe Xuantie series processors have shipped over 2 billion units.
One of those rare cases where I'll cheer for a semiconductor designing firm - only because they are looking into RISC-V.

I still am not sure about ARM China or x86 IP purchased. Are these licenses sanction proof? Let's assume the worst here.
 

ansy1968

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One of those rare cases where I'll cheer for a semiconductor designing firm - only because they are looking into RISC-V.

I still am not sure about ARM China or x86 IP purchased. Are these licenses sanction proof? Let's assume the worst here.
@Xsizor bro is PingTouGe a Chinese version of ARM, so they can licensed their design like what ARM does?
 

voyager1

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One of those rare cases where I'll cheer for a semiconductor designing firm - only because they are looking into RISC-V.

I still am not sure about ARM China or x86 IP purchased. Are these licenses sanction proof? Let's assume the worst here.
Forget about x86, its old tech and is getting phased out everywhere

ARM is western owned IP tech and it can be sanctioned. The ARM China shenanigans can shield China from sanctions for a while but eventually it wont hold.

Much better to switch everything on RISC-V and be sure that nothing wrong will happen
 

Xizor

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Forget about x86, its old tech and is getting phased out everywhere

ARM is western owned IP tech and it can be sanctioned. The ARM China shenanigans can shield China from sanctions for a while but eventually it wont hold.

Much better to switch everything on RISC-V and be sure that nothing wrong will happen
If the news of x86 is what I believe it is, then it's an absolute win. So many of China's industrial systems are based on x86. Windows xp.

And ARM China - its a good to have component. Atleast Chinese consumer device economy won't crumble down like a card castle when the adversary says "sanction on you".
 

daifo

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One of those rare cases where I'll cheer for a semiconductor designing firm - only because they are looking into RISC-V.

I still am not sure about ARM China or x86 IP purchased. Are these licenses sanction proof? Let's assume the worst here.
If push came to shove, China is capable of building a 6-8 year old x86 via zhaoxin/via. No one would/could buy it outside of China. Seems like companies get unlimited ARM license for a particular version. From what I understand, Hilsilicon can still produce ARM chips but they are stuck on the version when the sanction was placed.

Risc-V might be the future in China as even Loongsoon which has its own ISA is planning to build Risc-v chips
 

voyager1

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If push came to shove, China is capable of building a 6-8 year old x86 via zhaoxin/via. No one would/could buy it outside of China. Seems like companies get unlimited ARM license for a particular version. From what I understand, Hilsilicon can still produce ARM chips but they are stuck on the version when the sanction was placed.
ARM is a trap. Why in the world would China use ARM. It is western IP which is controlled by UK, Japan (Softbank) and soon by the US (Nvidia).

Yes China played some shenanigans with the ARM China branch but this wont hold forever. Remember ARM is WESTERN IP.

China should drop ARM and go full on RISC-V architecture instead
 

daifo

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ARM is a trap. Why in the world would China use ARM. It is western IP which is controlled by UK, Japan (Softbank) and soon by the US (Nvidia).

Yes China played some shenanigans with the ARM China branch but this wont hold forever. Remember ARM is WESTERN IP.

China should drop ARM and go full on RISC-V architecture instead

The mobile world runs on ARM at the moment. Until China can get HarmonyOS w RISC-V mobile (which does not exist yet) or the equivalent adopted by Chinese and out side of China, that is the direction of mobile processing
 

steel21

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ARM is a trap. Why in the world would China use ARM. It is western IP which is controlled by UK, Japan (Softbank) and soon by the US (Nvidia).

Yes China played some shenanigans with the ARM China branch but this wont hold forever. Remember ARM is WESTERN IP.

China should drop ARM and go full on RISC-V architecture instead
ARM is a trap. Why in the world would China use ARM. It is western IP which is controlled by UK, Japan (Softbank) and soon by the US (Nvidia).

Yes China played some shenanigans with the ARM China branch but this wont hold forever. Remember ARM is WESTERN IP.

China should drop ARM and go full on RISC-V architecture instead
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