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free_6ix9ine

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still says SSA800/10W is - single exposure - at 28nm,
multiple exposure can go down to 11nm... guancha is usually somewhat decent

also what you can do with the 28nm machine isnt the job of SMEE,
it's up to SMIC to work-out the lowest node they can make with the machine... or rather in cooperation with SMEE more likely

also I tried to look for the SSA800 page on SMEE's website referenced but I couldn't find it, I would appreciate a link to the page if possible, thanks

If true than it is more impressive than thought. ASML Duv uses 38nm single exposure to make 7nm chips. Euv is only 13.5 nm single exposure
 

Hendrik_2000

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LOL Huawei will definitely be first if they can't figure out the chip fab issue in like 120 days.

They have stocked up the chip for 2 years And a lot of thing can happened in 2years You seem to be oblivion to the history It is not the first time that China is subjected to embargo from CNC machine to satellite to AWAC they try to strangle China but everytime China prevail.

Necessity is the mother of invention I am pretty sure with concerted effort they will overcome this bottle neck. And this time they don't start from scratch The 28 nm machine already in evaluation most likely with SMIC . The bottle neck is talent and money But as they recruit ex Japanese, Taiwanese or Korean semi engineer they should have no problem
 

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If true than it is more impressive than thought. ASML Duv uses 38nm single exposure to make 7nm chips. Euv is only 13.5 nm single exposure
Probably fine tuning the optics (though with good overlay performance, might not be worth it for ASML/Zeiss to tinker with the optics), the lower throughput of the SMEE SSA800 (compared to the latest ASML DUV) might result from improving the resolution.
 

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still says SSA800/10W is - single exposure - at 28nm,
multiple exposure can go down to 11nm... guancha is usually somewhat decent

also what you can do with the 28nm machine isnt the job of SMEE,
it's up to SMIC to work-out the lowest node they can make with the machine... or rather in cooperation with SMEE more likely

also I tried to look for the SSA800 page on SMEE's website referenced but I couldn't find it, I would appreciate a link to the page if possible, thanks
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If I understand it correctly, it's a patent/trademark for the appearance of the SSB800.
 

free_6ix9ine

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They have stocked up the chip for 2 years And a lot of thing can happened in 2years You seem to be oblivion to the history It is not the first time that China is subjected to embargo from CNC machine to satellite to AWAC they try to strangle China but everytime China prevail.

Necessity is the mother of invention I am pretty sure with concerted effort they will overcome this bottle neck. And this time they don't start from scratch The 28 nm machine already in evaluation most likely with SMIC . The bottle neck is talent and money But as they recruit ex Japanese, Taiwanese or Korean semi engineer they should have no problem

Hope your right.....
 

free_6ix9ine

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Probably fine tuning the optics (though with good overlay performance, might not be worth it for ASML/Zeiss to tinker with the optics), the lower throughput of the SMEE SSA800 (compared to the latest ASML DUV) might result from improving the resolution.

Who makes the laser? I assume this machine is ssa600 with better optics. Then a totally new design.
 

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Hardly true. Western world has no alternatives than the "yankees". No matter how much they don't like Trump. They like getting paid in American dollars. It's more like China will be isolated in the future.
The world should ditch the US dollar, that the Yankees have been printing far too much. If they decide to sell the Chinese all these semiconductor equipment, there is nothing the Yankees can do, unless they want to disrupt and sanction ASML and TSMC etc.
 

supercat

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Hardly true. Western world has no alternatives than the "yankees". No matter how much they don't like Trump. They like getting paid in American dollars. It's more like China will be isolated in the future.

I think you are mistaken Europe with Middle East oil producers. In EU, they have this thing called euro. Unlike during the cold war, the U.S. can't count on European nations to isolate China, as they did to Soviet Union. The times have really changed. Just today, Merkel had a second teleconference with China in 10 days:
She (Merkel) said Germany is looking forward to the opportunity of serving as the EU's rotating presidency to jointly prepare for high-level EU-China exchanges, promote existing institutional dialogues, accelerate the negotiation of the EU-China investment agreement, strengthen Europe-China-Africa anti-pandemic cooperation, and promote Germany-China, Europe-China relations to achieve greater development.
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In fact, the contrary is probably true. It's more like the Trump administration is decoupling from Western business.
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free_6ix9ine

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The world should ditch the US dollar, that the Yankees have been printing far too much. If they decide to sell the Chinese all these semiconductor equipment, there is nothing the Yankees can do, unless they want to disrupt and sanction ASML and TSMC etc.

One can only hope.
 
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