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manqiangrexue

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Chinese Americans should do what we can to maintain US-China relations at this time.
Chinese Americans should give their full push for Chinese tech now. If they have money, invest it in China. If they have skills, go to China. They should know that there is no other choice. If China wins, they win. If China loses, they're loser Chinks no matter where they go and what they say. That saddest and most disgraceful are the people getting attacked by Americans tearfully saying they are American too. The relationship is clearly adversarial now; neither side needs jesters to pretend that it isn't.
In particular, I would watch Tarun Chhabra, an Indian American who is the senior director for Technology and National Security on Biden's National Security Council. He is using his position to advocate the US to transfer AI technology to India and give job placement and training to Indians.

He also advocated using the "China threat card" to unify America.

You can find some of his papers here:
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"The Left Should Play the China Card" by Tarun Chhabra
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This isn't a competition between Chinese and Indians in America to see who can make the best concubines for America, ok? China doesn't apply for that role. Indians pose no threat to the US; they can still try to play that angle but the reason is they even if they get the tech, they can't expand it and use it to become a world leader. That's why they might get it.
 

OppositeDay

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Chinese Americans should do what we can to maintain US-China relations at this time.

In particular, I would watch Tarun Chhabra, an Indian American who is the senior director for Technology and National Security on Biden's National Security Council. He is using his position to advocate the US to transfer AI technology to India and give job placement and training to Indians.

He also advocated using the "China threat card" to unify America.

You can find some of his papers here:
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"The Left Should Play the China Card" by Tarun Chhabra
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I think we can leave it to Modi and BJP to counter Chhabra.
 
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SimaQian

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To put things in broad perspective. Simply there is no end game between China and US led allies clash. It's clash of civilizations.

Even if China risen and surpassed US economically and technologically there would no end game.
West fought with Islam for thousands of years.
battle of civilizations.

China should continue to do space exploration and have colonies out here, guarantee Chinese civilization would still survive even if their earth residence is in doubt
This sounds like a Civilization game end game. While it is a lofty goal to have colonies other than earth, the Chinese leadership is pragmatist and realist. Most of the top leadership are technocrats and significant number have engineering background. Engineers are known to have plans and goals that are specific, meausable, attainable, realistic and time bound. Thats why China has this 5-year plans, very specific and time bound to measure if the plan really work.

Humanity current planet colonization technologies are not yet that advance amd prohibitly expensive. We are still in the very infant stages of space colonization. We might as well solve first our earthly problems.

We always hear from President Xi, the "shared humanity" theme. What this means is that humanity can move forward into the future by putting aside our petty differences and solving humanity common social and existential problems. That is why China is focused on improving its economy because that will help solve our social problems such as providing people with adequate living conditions. President Xi has even pledged China to become carbon neutral by 2060 to help solve this existential climate change problem. A tremendous pledge that has very significant ramifications for all energy players in China.
 
Chinese Americans should give their full push for Chinese tech now. If they have money, invest it in China. If they have skills, go to China. They should know that there is no other choice. If China wins, they win. If China loses, they're loser Chinks no matter where they go and what they say. That saddest and most disgraceful are the people getting attacked by Americans tearfully saying they are American too. The relationship is clearly adversarial now; neither side needs jesters to pretend that it isn't.

This isn't a competition between Chinese and Indians in America to see who can make the best concubines for America, ok? China doesn't apply for that role. Indians pose no threat to the US; they can still try to play that angle but the reason is they even if they get the tech, they can't expand it and use it to become a world leader. That's why they might get it.
Chinese Americans should just continue to do what they are doing: stay the backbone of US tech industry while continuing to acquire a disproportionate amount of wealth created in the US, while at same time continuing to be unable to compete with their peers in China. Result is China continues to pull ahead in tech, and more and more wealth in US is controlled by ethnic Chinese.
 

quantumlight

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Chinese Americans should just continue to do what they are doing: stay the backbone of US tech industry while continuing to acquire a disproportionate amount of wealth created in the US, while at same time continuing to be unable to compete with their peers in China. Result is China continues to pull ahead in tech, and more and more wealth in US is controlled by ethnic Chinese.
In Amerikkka there is a thing called civil forfeiture, whereby gov can seize your property and possessions without due process, without even having to convict you of anything.

All it takes is a Pompeo or Cotton as next US admin and literally all Chinese American assets will be frozen and invalidated and confescated by US gov literally overnight
 
In Amerikkka there is a thing called civil forfeiture, whereby gov can seize your property and possessions without due process, without even having to convict you of anything.

All it takes is a Pompeo or Cotton as next US admin and literally all Chinese American assets will be frozen and invalidated and confescated by US gov literally overnight
US tech industry can collapse literally overnight then.
 

Hitchhiker

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the next GOP president will adopt complete decoupling.
A complete decoupling would lead to a complete downfall of USD and therefore USA.

At the moment USA can continue its printing of USD, only because it can make use of the USD, i.e. other countries accept the USD. Most of the USD goes out of USA, as is evident of the increasingly wide trade deficit, and especially so with China/US trade deficit.
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Now if there is complete decoupling, where is USA going to spend that the printed USD? There is no way the rest of the world would come close to delivering to USA the $500b plus worth of goods that China was delivering to USA. In other words China is currently absorbing $400b plus of USD per year, and this $400b would have to find a new home. Two effects would come out of this:
- USA will not be able to import enough goods, including essential goods that it previously imported from China. This will lead to scarcity and therefore price inflation within USA. (Worldwide the price of goods would come down as China would need to sell the excess goods to the broader market)
- USA will not be able to find enough taker/buyer of USD, and it will lead to a collapse of USD.

BTW if there is complete decoupling, it is a foregone conclusion that China will simply no longer take any USD for trade, even for trade with European or ASEAN customers. In other words, USA cannot simply dump the USD to Europe/ASEAN, because sooner or later Europe/ASEAN will not accept confetti money it can't use other than for trade with the USA. The U.S. goods trade deficit with ASEAN was $120.2 billion in 2019; given that China is the largest trade partner with ASEAN; what is ASEAN going to do with $120b (or more) worth of confetti?

Even though USA would still probably be able to use the USD to buy raw material (such as oil) from its vassals, there are two problems with this. It will take years, if not a decade, to build up the industrial capacity to substitute good imports to take advantage of its access of raw material. Secondly, USA is mostly self-sufficient in food and raw materials (even energy) that it really doesn't need much.

So in short, complete decoupling means a collapse of USD's status of world reserve currency, and with that the end of US empire.

China would double dog dare USA to completely de-couple. What China needs to do in the meantime however to de-couple its food supply from USA; that's the number one priority.

(Also if this is better served to be in another forum, please move this post moderators)
 

quantumlight

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A complete decoupling would lead to a complete downfall of USD and therefore USA.

At the moment USA can continue its printing of USD, only because it can make use of the USD, i.e. other countries accept the USD. Most of the USD goes out of USA, as is evident of the increasingly wide trade deficit, and especially so with China/US trade deficit.
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Now if there is complete decoupling, where is USA going to spend that the printed USD? There is no way the rest of the world would come close to delivering to USA the $500b plus worth of goods that China was delivering to USA. In other words China is currently absorbing $400b plus of USD per year, and this $400b would have to find a new home. Two effects would come out of this:
- USA will not be able to import enough goods, including essential goods that it previously imported from China. This will lead to scarcity and therefore price inflation within USA. (Worldwide the price of goods would come down as China would need to sell the excess goods to the broader market)
- USA will not be able to find enough taker/buyer of USD, and it will lead to a collapse of USD.

BTW if there is complete decoupling, it is a foregone conclusion that China will simply no longer take any USD for trade, even for trade with European or ASEAN customers. In other words, USA cannot simply dump the USD to Europe/ASEAN, because sooner or later Europe/ASEAN will not accept confetti money it can't use other than for trade with the USA. The U.S. goods trade deficit with ASEAN was $120.2 billion in 2019; given that China is the largest trade partner with ASEAN; what is ASEAN going to do with $120b (or more) worth of confetti?

Even though USA would still probably be able to use the USD to buy raw material (such as oil) from its vassals, there are two problems with this. It will take years, if not a decade, to build up the industrial capacity to substitute good imports to take advantage of its access of raw material. Secondly, USA is mostly self-sufficient in food and raw materials (even energy) that it really doesn't need much.

So in short, complete decoupling means a collapse of USD's status of world reserve currency, and with that the end of US empire.

China would double dog dare USA to completely de-couple. What China needs to do in the meantime however to de-couple its food supply from USA; that's the number one priority.

(Also if this is better served to be in another forum, please move this post moderators)
America has 4 years to set up shop in India before Cotton comes in 2025 and do the full decoupling. Consider Harris is half Indian I think Biden choose her for that reason.

China has 4 years to be IC independant

So its a race to see who can pull rug out from underneath the others feet first
 

gadgetcool5

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Really curious to see how much "non-US production lines" really don't use any equipment from the US.

Here's a market research report from a leading international bank:

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