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KYli

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In the future when you post these articles, can you do a little more commentary on each article, your thoughts on them and why they are relevant. This seems to be a nasty habit of yours to just give us a link with very little thoughts. And frankly, I don't know why the Eric Schmidt link is here since we have a quantum computing thread already.
A few times when I debated with you, you just deleted my posts because you don't want to hear different of opinions such as investing in India is such a bad idea for Xiaomi. Basically, you have a habit of deleting posts that don't align with your opinions so I am not going to bother making long comment in threads that you monitor heavy handed.

As for Eric Schmidt's article, as much as the article is about quantum, it is also about how to curb Chinese hardware and semiconductor. Eric Schmidt has been spending his resources pushing laws and regulations to deny China's access to semiconductor technology and market. In this report, Eric is advocating for shutting China out of any future procurement of hardware and older chips from China by requesting the country of origin.



"The US and China are in a race for technological supremacy that’s seen both pour billions of dollars in investment to expand domestic semiconductor manufacturing capabilities and self-sufficiency. With the rise of artificial intelligence promising to transform entire industries and accelerate innovation in microelectronics and computers, Schmidt’s think tank attempts to set out a national action plan for the US.

The country has a history of rallying resources and pushing technology forward when pressed by a foreign adversary, from the Manhattan Project in World War II to the lunar landing, which came about after Soviet Union’s Sputnik launch.

The SCSP report warned that the US needs to guard against the dangers of China’s technological rise, which is aided by a vast domestic industry, a deep pool of motivated engineers and an “industrial espionage strategy with global reach.” Now 68, Schmidt has leveraged his $27 billion fortune to build a powerful influence machine in Washington and has been warning about security risks around China’s development of AI and computing.

The report highlighted China’s plans for a massive buildout of fabrication capabilities for older-technology chips, an issue that’s also been flagged by other US industry executives and think tanks.

“Currently, there are few restrictions to block or screen these chips, which may contain vulnerabilities and backdoors, from being deployed in critical infrastructure sectors,” the report said. Its suggested remedy is for more transparency around components in US systems and where they come from, to be achieved via Congressional or executive action.

One possible action is to require US government and critical-infrastructure suppliers to disclose the country of origin and other information for all hardware components, it said."
 

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The argument was not about whatever YMTC was producing 232L 3D NAND, the argument or should say the confusion was what technological level is YMTC with respect other 3D NAND players and some people confused technology with output. which is fine. Now, someone throw a number that got me really curious saying that their output of 232L 3D NAND was just 10k WPM or way less than 10% of YMTC perceived output, I just wanted the source of that information and I didn't knew that some people would take offense of that.

With respect of technology even if XTacking is pretty unique I personally think is really close to the other players level and in some cases is even superior to other technologies..​
@tokenanalyst, don't comment on things you don't know. I am not offended and I have no issue with your question.

First, what transpired was not even a valid argument with one of the side's stance based on "I believe", "I think", and what they read.

Second, I'm not offended or upset, I'm just tired. I just came to a realization that it serves me no purpose to share facts that people are not open to. So I simply made a decision to stop my futile attempt to share the truth. I do think people would sleep better if I don't try to debunk the common narratives with facts.

Last, I said many time before that I actually engage with fabs in real life outside of this forum. Facts I shared are often first hand information from what I observed or told by fabs. I thought this is implied when I do share. I trust you don't see me commenting or share information outside of domain of expertise. On things I do not know for sure, I may share my thoughts but I don't argue vehemently.

I may not have all the details because I'm looking through a keyhole into what the fabs are doing. But I find it tiresome to debate people watching from completely other side of the room arguing about what I actually DO see simply because it doesn't fit their narrative or what they read/heard.
 
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gadgetcool5

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In the future when you post these articles, can you do a little more commentary on each article, your thoughts on them and why they are relevant. This seems to be a nasty habit of yours to just give us a link with very little thoughts. And frankly, I don't know why the Eric Schmidt link is here since we have a quantum computing thread already.

This Is How Huawei Shocked America With a Smartphone​


Let me add some comment. Bloomberg has posted a beginner video about the meaning of Huawei Mate 60 pro. What is interesting is that this video has 1.1m views in the first 4 days, significantly more than most "Bloomberg Originals".

Incidentally, this is also my first post on this forum with a device that runs on a Kirin 9000S processor. I am posting on SDF:
- From a Chinese Browser (sanction-free)
- On a Chinese OS (sanction-free)
- On a Chinese Brand/OEM device (sanction-free)
- Running a Chinese-designed chip (sanction-free)
- Manufactured at a SMIC (sanction-free)

The only sanctioned part of my device is the lithography machines and other SME that SMIC used to fab the device. My hope is that one day, those too will either be Chinese or come from some other group of countries that make their products available to everyone, rather than excluding some due to sanctions.

When I first started posting on SDF, it was May 2020, and the U.S. had just invoked the Foreign Direct Product Rule (FDPR) for the first time. At that time I never imagined that in only three and a half years, I would be able to buy a personal consumer device with so many Chinese inputs.

The comments to the Bloomberg video, shows I am not the only one. The reality is that, the effort to suppress China's civilian development technologically should be a wake-up call to people in all developing countries that they too, could be coerced by sanctions and export restrictions if they don't develop independent technology. China should reach out to countries that realize this and work mutually with them (via BRI, BRICS, etc.) to advance until the U.S. changes its misguided policies.
 
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tonyget

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Incidentally, this is also my first post on this forum with a device that runs on a Kirin 9000S processor. I am posting on SDF:​

- From a Chinese Browser (sanction-free)
- On a Chinese OS (sanction-free)
- On a Chinese Brand/OEM device (sanction-free)
- Running a Chinese-designed chip (sanction-free)
- Manufactured at a SMIC (sanction-free)

The only sanctioned part of my device is the lithography machines and other SME that SMIC used to fab the device. My hope is that one day, those too will either be Chinese or come from some other group of countries that make their products available to everyone, rather than excluding some due to sanctions.

You forget the ARM ISA and Hynix memory
 

Wahid145

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You forget the ARM ISA and Hynix memory
Was about to mention, ARM ISA or RISC-5, China really needs to get on board etc LoongArch or Huawei should try to make a modern ISA which doesn't have the iteration redundancies which might be present in current mainstream ISA. I believe Memory (DRAM & NAND) aren't a huge thing anymore for China for they have world leading YMTC and CXMT closely trailing the best.
 

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A few times when I debated with you, you just deleted my posts because you don't want to hear different of opinions such as investing in India is such a bad idea for Xiaomi. Basically, you have a habit of deleting posts that don't align with your opinions so I am not going to bother making long comment in threads that you monitor heavy handed.
This is a very sad excuse for not putting effort into your posting. We actually have a rule on this forum where you shouldn't post one liners, which we don't fully enforce. But the idea is quite simple, we expect that when people post stuff, there is a little more thoughts going into it.

Frankly, a lot of your posts are just a link. So in the future, please put more commentary when you post link(s) or otherwise I do have to start enforcing the one-liner rule
 

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Che Yitian: The etching machine endpoint detection equipment is operating stably and is expected to achieve high performance growth in 2024.​


heyitian mainly provides photoelectric control components and subsystems for semiconductor equipment, and provides sensing detection and process control around the temperature field, flow field, and plasma field involved in process control. Existing products include etching end point detection equipment, in-situ high temperature measurement systems, fiber optic infrared thermometers, water flow meters, gas concentration meters, ozone concentration meters, etc.

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It is particularly worth mentioning that the etching machine end-point detection equipment is mainly used to detect the end time of the etching process step and is a core technology of process control. Before 2021, all such equipment in China will come from foreign suppliers. , facing the risk of supply interruption. Just in 2021, Cheyitian's end-point inspection equipment began to be verified in Huachuang. After one and a half years of passing the verification, it began to enter the small batch supply stage in 2022. In 2023, it will follow Huachuang's etching machine in the domestic first-line Fab. Continuous and stable operation. At the same time, Cheyitian's end-point detection equipment has also begun to replace similar foreign products in other domestic etching equipment, and it is expected to achieve high performance growth in 2024.

As we all know, the help of capital is of great significance to semiconductor startups. In 2022, after receiving investment support from Novartis Funds, Cheyitian will continue to make efforts in product mass production and new product research and development. Currently, it has in-depth cooperation with Huachuang, China Micro, Tuojing, Leuven, etc. on a number of products. Therefore, It is expected that more parts and components will be replaced by domestic products.

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Yaco Hongyu: Leading the development of domestic high-performance integrated hardware simulation accelerators, HyperSemu makes a strong attack​


The rapid growth of chip size and complexity has brought great challenges to verification work. The hardware emulation accelerator (Emulator) runs large-scale RTL designs (DUT) on hardware devices, taking advantage of the hardware's advantages in parallel processing of data to achieve an exponential speedup compared to traditional software simulation (Simulation). It has become a necessity for cutting-edge IC design and development. EDA tools.
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Yaco Hongyu, a mature one-stop supplier of SoC/ASIC simulation verification products and solutions, took the lead in launching the first desktop-level hardware simulation accelerator product in China, breaking the technological ice in the domestic Emulator field. HyperSemu Emulator is a new generation of integrated hardware simulation accelerator developed by Yaco Hongyu based on the extensive engineering application practice of its previous generation Emulator product. It is composed of a flexible and scalable hardware verification machine and a compilation, running, and debugging software ecology, achieving A number of innovative breakthroughs are suitable for large-scale digital chip design simulation acceleration and verification scenarios in various fields, and provide the ultimate ROI multi-simulation verification acceleration solution for the development of cutting-edge digital chips such as 5G, artificial intelligence, automotive electronics, and the Internet of Things.

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Alibaba T-Head unveils new/updated cores C907, C920 & R910

The first two have improved support for Vector calculation including Vector 1.0. C907 also has support for matrix calculation for the first time.

C920 now has support for multi-core clusters. Maybe they've been working with Sophgo to see how it can better work in server CPUs

R910 is their first real time CPU core, ideal for auto & industrial control usage
 
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