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BlackWindMnt

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Hard to believe that you use Core2Quad 8400 2.66ghz 45nm without cooling
I know there are fanless unit of compute boxes way back in 2018, i looked into such a box for pfsense router to get some better online gaming performance..:p

But then i dived into the pfsense documentation and did a gulp and i also just accepted im not 16~24 anymore so those 2~3ms less latency isn't really worth it with my degraded reflexes. Then i tried wifi 6 mesh network and found the latency more then enough.
 

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I know there are fanless unit of compute boxes way back in 2018, i looked into such a box for pfsense router to get some better online gaming performance..:p

But then i dived into the pfsense documentation and did a gulp and i also just accepted im not 16~24 anymore so those 2~3ms less latency isn't really worth it with my degraded reflexes. Then i tried wifi 6 mesh network and found the latency more then enough.

Without a fan but still with a heatsink (probably a huge one) is likely workable with some specs compromised.

But hero was saying "without the heatsink" as well, which is really breaking the rule as the Titan submersible would I guess.
 
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Phead128

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My critique against Huawei and many others in China is why they didn't see this coming and prepare themselves for the storm?
...because of premature self-defeatist attitude like this:
No one will buy a CPU with top speed of 2.5 G.
Vast majority of government and school entities and average user can be satisfied by that CPU since they mainly use email, web browsing, light applications, or Office software like Word.

But if you self-defeat yourself by assuming "nobody wants to buy unless bleeding elite edge" , you will be stuck forever and don't invest in necessary R&D....Then cry about it later on when you get sanctioned.

You gotta start somewhere and the fact that China can survive a semi ban is already a defeat for a West, which doesn't even think China can survive at all, and at best slow it down, which is pathetic and useless since it essentially forces indigenization, a blessing for China in long-term and worthy the inconvenience and short-medium term difficulty.
 

vincent

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I know there are fanless unit of compute boxes way back in 2018, i looked into such a box for pfsense router to get some better online gaming performance..:p

But then i dived into the pfsense documentation and did a gulp and i also just accepted im not 16~24 anymore so those 2~3ms less latency isn't really worth it with my degraded reflexes. Then i tried wifi 6 mesh network and found the latency more then enough.
I’m using a 10-year old mac mini as a pfsense box. The installation and configurations didn’t take much efforts.
 
...because of premature self-defeatist attitude like this:

Vast majority of government and school entities and average user can be satisfied by that CPU since they mainly use email, web browsing, light applications, or Office software like Word.

But if you self-defeat yourself by assuming "nobody wants to buy unless bleeding elite edge" , you will be stuck forever and don't invest in necessary R&D....Then cry about it later on when you get sanctioned.

You gotta start somewhere and the fact that China can survive a semi ban is already a defeat for a West, which doesn't even think China can survive at all, and at best slow it down, which is pathetic and useless since it essentially forces indigenization, a blessing for China in long-term and worthy the inconvenience and short-medium term difficulty.

Top central leadership likely considered all possibilities and judged that self-sufficiency in semiconductor supply chain was achievable within an acceptable time frame by domestic industry and R&D base before publicizing MIC 2025.
 

ansy1968

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Top central leadership likely considered all possibilities and judged that self-sufficiency in semiconductor supply chain was achievable within an acceptable time frame by domestic industry and R&D base before publicizing MIC 2025.
Made in China 2025 is just a moniker, never in my dreams that it will happened in 2024 ,a year in advance....lol

We have to give credit where credit is due ;)

Number one in my list

Is Trump, he gives us time to accelerate the program, those 5 crucial years really help. The rest I leave them to you.;)
 

tphuang

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Not sure if they’ll need *more* Germanium since the transistors are also getting smaller. The Germanium use should follow wafer consumption not number of chips or transistors being made. And ultimately still not sure how that would translate to unit cost. The unit cost of an A16 chip is 110 dollars. There are a lot of different input costs to that price. Can’t imagine Germanium being a big factor in that 110 dollars. How much damage are you doing if an A16 chip costs 130 or 150 dollars instead?
all the money in the world can't buy something if it just isn't available. Again, this is only if China is enforcing sanctions completely. Remains to be seen how loosely they grant this.
 

tokenanalyst

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e order in hand is 2.137 billion yuan! VeriSilicon's net profit in the first half of the year increased by 49.89% year-on-year​



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Jiweiwang news, on August 2, VeriSilicon released the 2023 semi-annual report. During the reporting period, the company achieved operating income of 1.184 billion yuan, a year-on-year decrease of 2.37%; the net profit attributable to the owners of the parent company was 22.2176 million yuan , an increase of 49.89% year-on-year.
VeriSilicon stated that during the reporting period, the company’s semiconductor IP licensing business (including intellectual property licensing fee income and royalty income) decreased by 10.65% year-on-year, of which intellectual property licensing fee income was 345 million yuan, a year-on-year decrease of 11.49%; Royalty income was 54 million yuan, a year-on-year decrease of 4.85%.
The company's intellectual property authorization fee income is related to the start-up arrangement of customer projects. Individual customer project start-up arrangements may cause certain quarterly fluctuations in the company's short-term performance. Overall, there is a steady growth trend. In the first quarter of 2023, the company's intellectual property licensing fee income fluctuated. In the second quarter of 2023, the intellectual property licensing fee income increased by 141.44% from the previous quarter, and the revenue in a single quarter was 244 million yuan. During the reporting period, the company's semiconductor IP authorizations were 61 times, a decrease of 27.38% compared with the same period last year, and the average single intellectual property authorization income was 5.6626 million yuan, an increase of 21.88% year-on-year.

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