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daifo

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Not sure why they only benchmark against a discontinued spec2006 standard rather than spec2017. I found a chart for comparison with other more recent processors that were tested with the spec2006. The Loongson 3A6000 chip hit 43.1/54.6 points in the SPECint_base2006/SPECfp_base2006 benchmarks. Integer calculation is competitive but Floating point calculations is lagging by a larger margin with newer processors.

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latenlazy

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Depends, if there are 70t total Ge that get exported & 40t is taken offline. There will clearly be major supply disruptions at a time when fabs need more Ge, not less. Of course, all of this depends on how much China is going to grant license for. Right now, everyone in the west just acts like it will be business as usual. We will see.

A fully enforced Ga sanction will stop production of smartphones. China may not want that kind of international attention. I think that's kind of what Western businesses are banking on.
Not sure if they’ll need *more* Germanium since the transistors are also getting smaller. The Germanium use should follow wafer consumption not number of chips or transistors being made. And ultimately still not sure how that would translate to unit cost. The unit cost of an A16 chip is 110 dollars. There are a lot of different input costs to that price. Can’t imagine Germanium being a big factor in that 110 dollars. How much damage are you doing if an A16 chip costs 130 or 150 dollars instead?
 

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Not sure if they’ll need *more* Germanium since the transistors are also getting smaller. The Germanium use should follow wafer consumption not number of chips or transistors being made. And ultimately still not sure how that would translate to unit cost. The unit cost of an A16 chip is 110 dollars. There are a lot of different input costs to that price. Can’t imagine Germanium being a big factor in that 110 dollars. How much damage are you doing if an A16 chip costs 130 or 150 dollars instead?
its not about production alone, it also makes R&D costs higher. If you need to spend 5k on consumables like SiGe test wafers instead of 500 its a huge blow to R&D efforts because much of R&D doesn't pay off so you're just throwing that 5k in the trash. which means either less testing before a product is rolled out or more projects get stalled/cancelled.
 

latenlazy

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its not about production alone, it also makes R&D costs higher. If you need to spend 5k on consumables like SiGe test wafers instead of 500 its a huge blow to R&D efforts because much of R&D doesn't pay off so you're just throwing that 5k in the trash. which means either less testing before a product is rolled out or more projects get stalled/cancelled.
Sure, but in practice the scale of the effect is what matters. You can look at that question I’m raising about price as not just about substitution cost but also pass down R&D costs.
 

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My i5 runs at 2.3G. I usee it for photoshoping just fine.

Most people are not hardcore gamers. People buying top CPUs either really know what they are paying for, or are fooled by salesman in wasting their money. In most usages, high speed and large RAM, high speed SDD and high data throughput of bus are more worthy to pay for than CPU clock counts. CPU clock counts are ONLY good for computational intense work.
The problem of Loongson is other CPU designers will release desktop CPU with speed above 3G.
 

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So the question is how confident the people at xinhua Wang need to be to be posting this?

I am not saying this proves anything. I am not sure they even got the right model number. But what is this about? Did something new happen? Are they announcing this unofficially due to upcoming dutch ban?

Did something new happen with smic testing with them
The news is now being picked up by other outlets (Global Times and People's Daily English) too... I think the technology has become mature enough now that there are official media reports... also the timing is very interesting as it takes place right before the Dutch export control on DUVi machines comes into effect in September.

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The news is now being picked up by other outlets (Global Times and People's Daily English) too... I think the technology has become mature enough now that there are official media reports... also the timing is very interesting as it takes place right before the Dutch export control on DUVi machines comes into effect in September.

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To Russia and beyond. ;) in the next 5 years this machine will be a monopoly killer with a little help from CETC. (since they share the same component)
 
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