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FairAndUnbiased

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SMIC no longer has 14nm nodes on its official website... hmmm

Read this and laughed:

特别是芯片材料方面,这是消耗品,需要持续供应,而美国的泛林集团、日本的东京电子等几乎垄断着先进的光刻胶等材料

They did not merely assert that Lam Research and TEL produced photoresist, they said they monopolized photoresist chemical supply.

lolwut? Do they even...

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Manufacturer Market share
JSR28%
Tokyo Onika21%
Rohm and Haas15%
Shin-Etsu Chemical13%
Fujifilm10%
Others13%
 

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The problem with Oppo is that they mostly cater to the high end of the smartphone market. So they would have to fab their chips at either TSMC or Samsung. Production can be cut at the stroke of a pen with sanctions. So why bother. I think Xiaomi is way more viable as a chip designer company. They have much more penetration in the lower end of the market, so they need lower costs, and can use older processes which can be made in mainland China.

I don't blame OPPO for their decision to withdraw 4nm SOC R&D. There will always be possibility that the US orders TSMC to cutoff OPPO,then all their money and resources spend on chip development will be wasted.
 

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Read this and laughed:



They did not merely assert that Lam Research and TEL produced photoresist, they said they monopolized photoresist chemical supply.

lolwut? Do they even...

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Manufacturer Market share
JSR28%
Tokyo Onika21%
Rohm and Haas15%
Shin-Etsu Chemical13%
Fujifilm10%
Others13%
Yeah the article is nuts, but just checked SMIC's website, indeed it's no longer there. Or was it never there in the first place?
 

tphuang

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Yeah the article is nuts, but just checked SMIC's website, indeed it's no longer there. Or was it never there in the first place?
they used to have 14nm and then replaced it with Finfet (because you know, they produce 7nm now & don't want the world to know where they are at)
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向全球客户提供0.35微米到FinFET不同技术节点的晶圆代工与技术服务
Frankly even if they get rid of Finfet there, it just means they are hiding things evne more

Can we not post these awful takes from Chinese social media?

They removed mention of sub 28nm process in order to deflect attention from itself. Also, why they no longer break down revenues for each of their JV companies
 

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alright, I listened through SMIC's earnings call at @hvpc's suggestion. this is what i heard

28/40nm demand

lost orders in CMOS, LCD driver, finger print 8-inch demand -> low utilizations

rush orders coming in for 28/40nm 2-inch processes, full utilization, DDIC for mobile phone/monitor, CMOS, LED drivers - Chinese supply chain is re-shuffling. New suppliers getting into supply chain in China & they are ordering from SMIC. New customers getting higher market share & are designing new chip products for SMIC to make. No inventory for these new products, so production will be throughout the year. SMIC will need to efficiently produce these new chip products to continue to recover. A lot of demand in NEV. SMIC still developing product support and cannot handle all the demands yet. See demand in smart home/consumer electronics recover. SMIC still seeing demand weak for smart phone, but it's getting a large portion of smart phone chip demand due to supply chain changes. See recovery for LED drivers.

need to keep up R&D to develop products and be competitive. Also work with SMIC customers to produce quality product and increase their market share. In smartphones, EVs & monitors, the new suppliers should have demand for at least 1 year.

Goal is to increase 50k wpm of 12-inch capacity a year. Will push for faster delivery of equipment for 28/40 process if they see that's where demand is.

embedded flash, high voltage, specialty memory products moving from 40 to 28nm

BCD products moving from 90 to 65nm
other products moving 90 to 55nm or more advanced to be competitive

Customers need all their products to be auto grade so they can be used across the board in various applications, so SMIC need to make its product support auto grade

There are 11 categories of NEV products with over 1000 products. SMIC need to increase production run & quality to get large customer orders

old customers still have high inventory
basically, good news across.
Very important to note that SMIC still has a lot of work to do in the 28 to 90nm range. They need to develop different products, qualify for higher standards and increase capacity.

Also, important to note how changing supply chain in China is helping them and their existing suppliers are looking to move to more advanced processes to improve competitiveness. So, the SMIC & customer relationship in improving products and competitiveness is quite important.

I also find it interesting that newer players in supply chain are opting for SMIC products. I wonder if the existing players are non-Chinese companies and they are getting cut out. For example, before the OLED is produced by Koreans & now it's produced by BOE and they use domestic drivers. Or even domestic flat screens use to source foreign designed chips & now they source domestic designed chips.

Would partially explain the huge drop in semi import from Korea!
 
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