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luminary

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TSMC may not expand in US if
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Taiwanese company TSMC has already invested
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in its new Arizona factory, which it says will open
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. But since the US does not have a income tax agreement with Taiwan, TSMC faces double taxation on its profits from this or any other factory it could build in the States.

According to the Financial Times, unless there is a change in the law, TSMC will be
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over 50% of its profits earned in the US. In comparison, Samsung pays much less because its home country of South Korea has a tax treaty with the States.

Creating a separate tax deal for Taiwan would legally be acknowledging the country's sovereign status.
 

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秦声楚舞:这两年国望、科益的建厂应该都快完工了吧
havok:国望9月份吧,科益还没开工

秦声楚舞:In the past two years, the construction of Guowang and Rslaser's factories should be almost completed.
havok:Guowang probably in September, and Rslaser's construction work has not started work yet
 

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Well I guess the news of YMTC being able to resume production has now reached Western media.

I think their anonymous sources timeline of latter in 2024 is a little pessimistic. I would guess start of 2024, but let's wait and see.

Also, so much coping at the end here. Samsung & SK have barely started 232 layer production. Most of their production is 128-layer. YMTC expanding 128 layer is perfectly fine. Based on the current rate of AMEC improvement, YMTC will be able to do 232 layer by 2025
If YMTC pull it off, and I strongly believe they will, it will be a vivid demonstration of the failure of America's SME restriction policy... I can already hear the China haters who have read this article fuming that China and YMTC, AMEX, NAURA, and other Chinese companies stole the tech from Lam, KLA, and Applied Materials or someone gave them not just the drawings but the complete run down on the material necessities, manufacturing operations, quality assurance and inspection checks necessary on how to not just to undertake the manufacturing operations but also the materials, manufacturing operations, and quality assurance and inspections checks to build the manufacturing equipment necessary for YMTC to make the chips with US or other foreign equipment.
 

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Any other US company that is dependent on growth in China, complicit in tech suppression, and has credible domestic competition?
Apple? Dunno about complicit though. But they were the biggest winner of Huawei's elimination, that's for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple secretly pushed for Huawei to be sanctioned
 

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havok:产能提升要钱要时间要经验,不仅仅是口头说说那么简单。比如上微如果想提升至年产10台浸没式,就需要多投至少5亿元并且新建产线同时要求其他分系统厂也扩建产线,这都需要时间。目前上微的确有上市的计划来解决资金问题。

havok:Productivity improvement requires money, time and experience, not just words. For example, if SMEE wants to increase its annual production to 10 submersibles, it needs to invest at least 500 million yuan more and build a new production line while requiring other sub-system factories to expand their production lines, which will take time. At present, Shangwei does have a plan to go public to solve the funding problem.
 

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Briefing | A daunting arsenal
America’s commercial sanctions on China could get much worse
And China could retaliate in kind


Mar 30th 2023 | BEIJING

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The chinese custom official’s suspicions were first aroused by the size of the woman’s stomach. She said she was only five to six months pregnant, yet her belly protruded as if she were close to term. When she was searched, her baby bump turned out to be fake. Inside an improvised pouch she was smuggling not drugs or weapons, but computer chips—202 of them. Since America imposed a ban on sales of certain semiconductors and related equipment to Chinese entities last year, firms in China have been running short. Imports have plunged (see chart 1). Entrepreneurial middlemen (and women) have been coming up with all manner of schemes to obtain the desired goods, and to avoid customs duties to boot.

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It is not just small operators who are feeling the effects of the sanctions. Before the new rules were imposed in October, Yangtze Memory Technologies Corp (ymtc), a big state-owned maker of memory chips, was widely seen as the Chinese firm with the best chance of becoming a global force in chipmaking. Overnight, however, it and all other Chinese firms were barred from buying the equipment they needed to make the most advanced chips. ymtc’s inability to procure this gear, in turn, has stopped it from finalising a business plan for 2023, analysts say. It may have to delay the construction of a new production facility.
The impact is reverberating through supply chains. ymtc cannot build production lines with foreign components, which means it is having to cancel orders for Chinese equipment, too, that would have gone into the same lines. It has reportedly cut orders from one local firm by 70%. It may in time be unable to fulfil orders for chips from Chinese customers. In January it began laying off workers and asked former staff to repay generous housing subsidies. Disgruntled former employees claim it is desperately trying to save cash and that its troubles stem from the sanctions.
The ultimate effect of all this will be to set back China’s chip industry. International Business Strategies, a consultancy, had previously estimated that Chinese firms would be making more than half of the chips their country needed by 2030. After the American sanctions came into effect, it lowered that forecast to 33%.
This is just what America’s policymakers want. The latest sanctions are different from past measures against China, Russia and, during the cold war, the Soviet Union. They seek to deny China access not just to advanced weapons or narrowly defined technologies, but to undermine whole industries. In a speech in September Jake Sullivan, America’s national security adviser, explained that the government wanted to hobble China’s capabilities in “foundational technologies” such as artificial intelligence, biotech and clean energy, to allow America to maintain as much of an edge as possible in these areas. Some call this plan the “Sullivan doctrine”.
FDPRgy-bargy
So far, America’s main technique for hobbling Chinese industry has been export controls using “foreign direct product rules” (fdprs). These orders, issued by the Department of Commerce, can be used to restrict the sale not just of goods made in America but also of any item made anywhere using American intellectual property. Firms that break the rules risk prosecution if they do business in America and crippling sanctions even if they do not.
The fdpr that has spurred chip-smuggling and upended ymtc was issued in October. In keeping with the Sullivan doctrine, it attempts to cut China off from the most advanced chips involved in the machine learning that underpins all ai. It also bars American engineers, and even Chinese nationals with American green cards, from working at many Chinese chip companies. This abrupt escalation, says Joerg Wuttke of the European Union Chamber of Commerce in Beijing, was tantamount to “a declaration of tech war”.
In fact, the war had already begun. America has been cudgelling Huawei, a Chinese tech firm, with various weapons, including an fdpr, since 2019. Donald Trump, the previous president, attempted to force ByteDance, another Chinese firm, to sell TikTok, an app adored by teens around the world. But America’s assault is clearly intensifying. Congress has been loudly debating a ban on TikTok. The mandarins of the commerce department and the Treasury have many more potential sanctions up their sleeves. China, meanwhile, will not sit idly by as its industries are pummelled. And, as in any conflict, bystanders are being pulled into the fight.
How far will the battle escalate and how severe will the damage be? At the very least, the fighting will force a drastic reorganisation of supply chains in the $570bn market for computer chips. It may well spill into other industries such as clean technology, biotech and even agriculture. It will in effect split the world into two distinct and mutually exclusive blocs for many products, and thus undo many of the gains brought about by globalisation. And it will harm the companies and countries that are forced to choose between the two rivals.
 
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