Are LAM, KLA, and AMAT getting licenses to sell or something? Also it's done through their SE Asia subsidiaries it seems.
I think it comes down to opportunity cost. If it were a question of who is best at implementing localization, you would call on SMIC because they have the subject matter expertise across multiple nodes, products, experience with HVM and also using non-US tools. But keep in mind SMIC is also running flat out for existing customers, expansions and building capacity in advanced nodes. Every resource you put into localization takes away from those, and the staff are a limiting factor. So unless they get an influx of personnel or put certain projects on hold, it is challenging for them to retool and maintain existing operations at the same time. Realistically, SMIC will probably just continue to work on it in phases alongside their existing projects. If full attention needs to given, ICRD is a better option. I don't think its a money issue, there are only so many qualified people available for this and they are spread thin.Maybe havok talked too much and got told to stop releasing so many secrets. Btw, it's good to hear from this SMIC JingCheng employee also. A lot of what he says just seem realistic. I bet MU employees are having the same conversation about C919 right now. This is a business and it's hard to get the yield with a mostly "made in China" line vs ones using American tools, but that's not a choice SMIC or China can make right now. So the workers need to suck it up and deal with the annoyance of validating a de-americanized production line.
And yes, it's hard for SMIC to do an all China line when things are not mature. The Chinese gov't really needs to step in and just give them money or just continue to have ICRD to keep validating domestic products.
I really don't know. Probably in the next week biddings but is obvious that they bought something that is going to be use in the fabrication of ICs.bidding result from this week. looks 7 out of 20 tools are domestic this week. No mention of what SMEE won in the Huahong bid. Do we need to wait another week for this to show up @tokenanalyst ? anywhere else to look?
Pretty interesting that SMIC already running a 28nm localized line, that means localization of 28nm is secretly much higher that what is told by some people. I think sometimes is necessary to get out of the comfort zone to get things done, of course like the guy said, would be nice to use all AMAT tools and get high yields with minimal effort but the only way to solve bottlenecks in the supply chain is to start using localize tools, materials and software, solving each bottleneck in the process. I guess one way would be to start with small production runs like Huawei plans to do, solve the bottlenecks issues and then "scale up" or accept the lower yield until bottlenecks problems are solved. The goverment could subsidize the lost of yield until those problems are solved.Btw, it's good to hear from this SMIC JingCheng employee also. A lot of what he says just seem realistic. I bet MU employees are having the same conversation about C919 right now. This is a business and it's hard to get the yield with a mostly "made in China" line vs ones using American tools, but that's not a choice SMIC or China can make right now. So the workers need to suck it up and deal with the annoyance of validating a de-americanized production line.
And yes, it's hard for SMIC to do an all China line when things are not mature. The Chinese gov't really needs to step in and just give them money or just continue to have ICRD to keep validating domestic products.
Are LAM, KLA, and AMAT getting licenses to sell or something? Also it's done through their SE Asia subsidiaries it seems.
Also there's three additional straight up American companies on that list. KLA, Inspectrology, and Frontier Semiconductor.Could be that US toolmakers are trying to get around the restrictions by establishing franchises and moving production to SE Asia, removing "US persons" from production, maintenance and even design. The problem would be parts and components but my guess maybe parts-materials producers can do the same or tools makers could avoid using US made parts or components by buying those in Asia and Europe.
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IIRC, they later adjusted the persons clause to allow servicing for less advanced tools, but I could be wrong here. Basically, the original ruling was really broad but they then narrowed its scope.Are LAM, KLA, and AMAT getting licenses to sell or something? Also it's done through their SE Asia subsidiaries it seems.