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european_guy

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This week's bid results.
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25 won by mainland
6 by Taiwan
40 by Germany
4 by US
3 by Netherlands
4 by Japan
12 by korea

25 out of 84 items for domestic firms.
so this is an odd week where most bids were own by international bidders, especially by a couple of German vendors.

Delving into the numbers (with google translator), it is interesting to note that:

1. German producer is
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2. The big Korea order is from a
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, it is a competitor of Zhejiang Jingsheng Electromechanical

3. Also for US there is a single supplier,
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, ex-Agilent, ex-Hewlett Packard, an historical name in electronic measurement. They sold some measurement equipment like maybe
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. In particular none of the big US producers (AMAT, LAM, KLA) won anything...as largely expected.
 

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Zhaochi shares: Prismo UniMax equipment is expected to achieve full production in the first half of 2023​


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Jiwei.com news (text/Bai Yuxuan) On January 14, Zhaochi shares stated on the investor interaction platform that the Prismo UniMax equipment used by the company for the expansion of the gallium nitride Mini LED chip project has been successfully lit in mid-2022. Production capacity will gradually increase in the second half of the year, and it is expected to achieve full production in the first half of 2023. In the next few years, Mini LED will be the product with the most growth momentum in various LED subdivisions. This expansion plan is an important strategic step for the company in the new display field.

Zhaochi shares said that in the field of LED chips, the company has invested in the construction of LED chip R&D and production bases in Nanchang. The independent manufacturing capacity of the process, and equipped with brand-new, higher-precision automation equipment, can meet the requirements of high-precision and high-quality products. The company's monthly production capacity of gallium nitride can reach 650,000 pieces of 4-inch pieces, and the monthly production capacity of gallium arsenide can reach 50,000 pieces of 4-inch pieces, basically achieving full production and full sales. In 2022, the company will add 52-cavity MOCVD and corresponding supporting equipment to produce gallium nitride Mini LED chips. After reaching production capacity, the total monthly production capacity of gallium nitride can reach 1.1 million 4-inch pieces.

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This week's bid results.
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25 won by mainland
6 by Taiwan
40 by Germany
4 by US
3 by Netherlands
4 by Japan
12 by korea

25 out of 84 items for domestic firms.
so this is an odd week where most bids were own by international bidders, especially by a couple of German vendors.
zingsemi 新昇 is not fab. Should have excluded from the count.
 

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The short answer is no . Chinese domestic oscilloscope is nowhere near that 110GHz BW caliber,the best they can offer is 5GHz BW at the moment

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But both SIGLENT and RIGOL are designing their own chip,they are using their own chip on their high end product line,that's a very good start

Speaking of Keysight, is there any Chinese manufacturer that makes high end oscilloscopes such as the one below?
 
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My amateur take: Huawei has an architecture license from ARM, that means they design SOCs that interprets and execute ARM instruction sets instead of using cores designed by ARM. How the Huawei SOC executes the instructions is somewhat instruction-independent. It is probably not too difficult for Huawei to switch the core design to RISC-V.
We haven't really gotten to the point where RISC-V cores are developed enough to do the computations that ARM can, but they are going in that direction. I think we get HPC core first as the CAS post said. Also, imo it's not logical for Hisilicon to be spending too much time on ARM designs that SMIC can't produce.

At least 2025, Kirin is back but I guess they won't use Arm anymore, they will use their own chip architecture, or RISC-V.... Huawei is resetting back to K3V2...
Short term, they might have to use ARM still. It's unclear to me how they lose out by not having access to ARMv9. From here, it looks like the big change in terms of performance is the presence of SVE2
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It's hard for me to see how they can compete against Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 when they are not going to have access for the whole instruction set.

I really do think they need to look into both RISC-V & LoongArch. The former is obvious. The latter makes a lot of sense to me because it has now been integrated with openHarmony. Both 2K0500 and 2K1000LA has been tested. I would imagine 2K1500 & 2K2000 support will be added this year also.

I think latest ARM smartphone CPUs are all Octacore, which allows tasks to be distributed between high performing and more efficient cores. That allows them to run on lower average power and occasionally go at peak power.

I think you should be able to do the same with LoongArch, since it has its own higher and lower efficiency CPU cores and its own GPU. Something like 2K2000 achieved A76 performance despite designed for 28nm process and operated at 1.5 GHz. And it has average power of 4w.
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3A5000 at 2.5 GHz with quad core uses 35w of power, which is obviously too high for smartphone, but consumes less power than octacore D2000 CPUs done by Phytium (40w I think). I would expect 3A6000 (still using 12nm process) to have better power consumption since it will be on a shrunken die compared to 3A5000.

So if they develop a SoC with dedicated a high performing core + several high efficiency core + GPU on 7nm process, I think it can be competitive with ARM SoC designed with more advanced process. And they can get to that point sooner than RISC-V.
 

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More good news if you are SMIC
UMC Capex at just $3 billion for 2023.
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TSMC Capex for 2023 down to $32-36 billion. Even 2022 ended up being $36 billion which is a lot less than the original projection of over $40 billion.

In practical terms, I think this just means more delivery slots at ASML are open in 2023 as well as in other tools makers.
 

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The short answer is no . Chinese domestic oscilloscope is nowhere near that 110GHz BW caliber,the best they can offer is 5GHz BW at the moment

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But both SIGLENT and RIGOL are designing their own chip,they are using their own chip on their high end product line,that's a very good start
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40 GHZ
 
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