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A couple of good tweets from David Goldman

Read the nikkei article with quotes from McCaul
If the Bureau of Industry and Security "implements and enforces these rules to the strictest of standards, then it will strike at the core of the CCP's strategic objectives," McCaul said, referring to the Chinese Communist Party.

Part of the goal is to hinder Beijing's military buildup by blocking access to semiconductors that could be used to develop hypersonic weapons or high-precision guided missiles. Companies based in the U.S. and allied countries have voiced concerns about the controls losing them business in China.

"We look forward to receiving full transparency from the Commerce Department -- as is required by law and was guaranteed under oath by Under Secretary [Alan] Estevez -- on how BIS is approving or denying licenses," he added. "Lax licensing standards would undermine the intent of what these rules aim to achieve."

It's unclear to me if these guys are stupid or just saying things for political reasons. Anyone with half a brain knows that China can produce all the old chips they need for the military. It seems to me they all want to sound tough about China, but are also freaked out that the October sanctions really haven't worked at all so far. The old adage is that "if we can just sanction harder, we will win" seems to be at play here. They are trying really hard to see what else they can sanction, but are grasping at straws when it comes to export control.

Also, since we already posted the old chip expansion freakout article, I will say that Goldman seems to have noticed the same freakout as we have.

think about it from their prospective. How is YMTC still able to come out with 232 layer NAND flash after it got sanctioned. Why hasn't it collapsed? This must be killing the hawks.

ALot of SDF people thinks mature tech not as good. That's wrong thinking . Actually It's completely different animals.
Huawei needs to develope its vast fleet of semiconductor process engineers not just hisilicon logic design using EDA. Then it could become a semiconductor power house.
THe above mentioned western mature tech semiconductor companies occupied a large domain and if Huawei can take them out, it goes long way even if it never get into sub 16nm stuffs.
I think I've been posting their mature tech expansion a lot. it's clearly an area of great success for China and will bear fruit in the next 2 to 3 years. And the large stimulus here will help not just the fab themselves but also the tool making industry.

The focus on leading edge tech is because China needs to make sure it can still function in the even that export controls are expanded to include full ban on all chips from America. At this point, the natsec hawks look like they are willing to destroy their own industry to stop China's AI/cloud computing/data center growth. Who knows, maybe the next ban is that they won't allow any smartphone chips to be exported to China with American tools or android/iPhone OS to be used by Chinese smartphones. That way, they can cripple China's smartphone industry. These are all things that Chinese gov't need to think about and aggressively support SMIC/Huahong in building capacity up for.

1 trillion RMB isn't just going to be aiding mature fab expansion. mature fabs don't need that much Capex. A lot of that will be toward advanced chip production imo.
 

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I think RISC-V might be the way for them to get to capable smartphone cpu. Since RISC-V is less power intensive than x86 and even ARM, it should allow them to get the same processing power + energy consumption as an ARM chip with a less advanced process by just having a larger SoC. Now, T-head (and hopefully Huawei and Baidu also) can design more advanced RISC-V chips that can be manufactured by SMIC's most leading edge process.
 

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Here's a quote from a recent FT article:

"An executive from another chip design house in Shenzhen said that after the collapse of SoftBank’s $66bn sale of Arm to Nvidia earlier this year, many Chinese chip engineers regained confidence in using Arm’s designs without fear they would later be cut out of the supply chain.

But he said the company realised “how naive” it had been when it was told it could not buy Neoverse V1 for high-end chips it was developing for cloud computing. The executive added it became clear that the decision “wasn’t about money” but due to export controls."

It boggles the mind how some execs in the Chinese semi community still don't get it.
 

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Here's a quote from a recent FT article:

"An executive from another chip design house in Shenzhen said that after the collapse of SoftBank’s $66bn sale of Arm to Nvidia earlier this year, many Chinese chip engineers regained confidence in using Arm’s designs without fear they would later be cut out of the supply chain.

But he said the company realised “how naive” it had been when it was told it could not buy Neoverse V1 for high-end chips it was developing for cloud computing. The executive added it became clear that the decision “wasn’t about money” but due to export controls."

It boggles the mind how some execs in the Chinese semi community still don't get it.
Doesn't matter. Its called natural selection.

Idiotic companies should die
 

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I heard Cambricon is now in FDPR, great...
you mean the new expanded entity list?

I seems like this list has basically every Cambricon subsidiary + SMEE + PXW (the Huawei fab) + ICRD. I'm not sure how much this actually affects these players since SMIC was added 2 years ago and has just kept things going. If Cambricon isn't trying to get all of its chips made by SMIC, it really isn't being very smart.

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