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gadgetcool5

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SMEE hasnt updated their Lithograph Website for years. Maybe to avoid releasing too much information to Western Analysts and Intelligence.

Why would they be afraid to show Western intelligence they have a 65nm dry lithograph? Its not like this information would be shocking. Plus those intelligence agencies have other ways of getting knowledge. Is there any source for the 65nm dry lithograph other than someone's comment on a message board?
 

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Why would they be afraid to show Western intelligence they have a 65nm dry lithograph? Its not like this information would be shocking. Plus those intelligence agencies have other ways of getting knowledge. Is there any source for the 65nm dry lithograph other than someone's comment on a message board?
SMEE only sells their DUVL in the local China market so it basically has no obligation to inform Americans and Europeans what their product portfolio is.
Besides this technology is very sensitive and there are national security implications.
The 90nm DUVL was first delivered to a customer in 2016.
The 65nm DUVL has started mass production this year.
SMEE also probably doesnt want Marco Rubio and Ron Vara to get a Heart Attack when they find out about the progress being made in Lithography in China.
 

Oldschool

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SMEE only sells their DUVL in the local China market so it basically has no obligation to inform Americans and Europeans what their product portfolio is.
Besides this technology is very sensitive and there are national security implications.
The 90nm DUVL was first delivered to a customer in 2016.
The 65nm DUVL has started mass production this year.
SMEE also probably doesnt want Marco Rubio and Ron Vara to get a Heart Attack when they find out about the progress being made in Lithography in China.
Hope more local players buy 65nm for production besides Huawei.
 
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What would be the impact of Liang leaving+ export blacklist sanctions on SMIC's 7nm nodes and below? Would it adversely hurt their progress on these smaller nodes?

Also, how close is SMIC to developing and mass-producing 7nm nodes and below? Do you have any other sources I could read up on their progress?
 

gadgetcool5

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SMEE only sells their DUVL in the local China market so it basically has no obligation to inform Americans and Europeans what their product portfolio is.
Besides this technology is very sensitive and there are national security implications.
The 90nm DUVL was first delivered to a customer in 2016.
The 65nm DUVL has started mass production this year.
SMEE also probably doesnt want Marco Rubio and Ron Vara to get a Heart Attack when they find out about the progress being made in Lithography in China.

Yes but where's your evidence? You keep saying this and that, but anyone can come on here and say anything. Where is your source that they "started mass production"?

What would be the impact of Liang leaving+ export blacklist sanctions on SMIC's 7nm nodes and below? Would it adversely hurt their progress on these smaller nodes?

What do you think? There's no need to ask WTAN. Of course it will adversely hurt their progress. There is no way they can do such small nodes without American supplies. Even if they already have the capital equipment, they still need the support, materials, and licenses to make it work.
 
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Yes but where's your evidence? You keep saying this and that, but anyone can come on here and say anything. Where is your source that they "started mass production"?
I trust WTAN as I have heard he is an insider in the Chinese semiconductor industry. That said, I wouldn't mind a greater presentation of evidence to verify these claims (although I understand if due to security implications he is hesitant on divulging this).
What do you think? There's no need to ask WTAN. Of course it will adversely hurt their progress. There is no way they can do such small nodes without American supplies. Even if they already have the capital equipment, they still need the support, materials, and licenses to make it work.
I'm not talking about production, I'm talking about development only. Of course SMIC, as it is right now, cannot mass produce 5- and 3- nm nodes without the EUV lithography machines. But I am asking if the 14-nm, n+1, and n+2 processes will be impacted. From what I have heard from WTAN (although again, some verification will be appreciated), the 7-nm nodes have been fully developed and are just awaiting the mass production phase, and much of the design and development process for 5-nm and 3-nm nodes have already been completed.
 
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