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This is fantastic. It's interesting that they filed the patent back in April 2021 and took 18 months for it to get publicized.

They must be getting started with mass production if this is finally get publicized.
At this point the only Americans who have a clear picture, capabilities and current status of the Chinese chip sector must be @tinrobert 's clients.

The other 99.999999 % are still celebrating' after 'annihilating ' china's semiconductor industry with sanctions and setting it back decades.
 

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Alibaba Yintian 710 has been unknowingly removed from a benchmark ranking. Possible yield issues or ban manufacturing

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Well, just 2 days ago, Alibaba came out and touted that yitian-710 has been a great success and that it is used in a lot of places internally and with cloud clients. And that 20% of new cloud capacity will be using self designed chips. So, I think yitian-710 or a smic produced version of it will be a big part of that. I doubt they would make an announcement like that without being sure of the future of their own chips.

Now, it is possible that yitian-710 may be affected by sanctions somehow but we don't know what how that is. Server chips are not supposed to be covered under the sanctions.
 

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Bernstein Research estimates half of that five percent will be compensated for by increased demand for equipment outside of China.
Nope, if the US is not allowing others outside of China to sell those chips then the demand is gone and the demand for equipment outside of China could diminish.
 

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I wonder if this author reads Chinese, lives in China? Or visited recently?

If the Chinese cannot catch up technologically due to their inherent government policies, why is the US so afraid of China catching up technologically? How did china get so advanced in so many areas like space and NEVs? So many questions from this article.
He was a professor at Zhejiang University school of management then City University of HK. This sort of poisonous snake like Mic.hael Pet.tis and Phi.lip Dy.b.vi.g were complete wastes of money to invite to China to act as professor. There is nothing, literally nothing, that they have to 'teach' other than propaganda.
 

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In general, I'm suspicious of anyone that dismisses China's market size by saying it is only 15% of ASML's revenue or that it can easily be replaced by some one else with little consequence for ASML or other tools makers. That shows fundamentally that they do not understand China has almost a fully supply chain for this industry including raw materials. No other country can say that. Japan has most of it, but doesn't have natural resources. America has a lot of it but also misses out on front end scanners and various raw materials.

In the end, China represents 50% of the world's market for chips. There is no getting around that. ASML clients that make up remaining 85% of their revenue are still selling heavily to China. If you ban export of your equipment to China, it will just very quickly make up with domestic products that are probably at 90% the capability. And the moment that China produces an operational EUV, ASML doesn't just lose out on the current 15% revenue to China but also 1/3 of the other 85% revenue to fabs in Taiwan/SK that produce CPUs/GPUs for Chinese customers.

Recession isn't the only reason Intel and AMD are having layoffs. All this directives in China to buy local is simply leading to less orders from China for Intel and AMD CPUs. And unlike 10 years, America can't blame China for telling its companies to buy local. It's not selling any advanced chips to China.

Anyways, SMIC/Huahong have their earnings call on Thursday. 11/11 is Friday, which will mean new products and pricing will be unveiled. I expect there to be a lot of news this week.
 

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This is fantastic. It's interesting that they filed the patent back in April 2021 and took 18 months for it to get publicized.

They must be getting started with mass production if this is finally get publicized.
Isn’t this normal way of working? 18months after filing is when most patents are published.

It could very well be true that immersion system is in mass production. But, publication of a patent doesn’t automatically equate to start of mass production. Publication date can’t be used as a validation of mass production.
 
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