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latenlazy

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I took the 250 watts figure from ansy1968's calculation " IF we do the math 250 watts for a single EUVL so times 80 machine = 20,000 watts?" which obviously implies the 250 watts is the input energy.

I had no idea what percentage of the total input energy is over that of the eventual light output.
No, 250 watts is how much the light source outputs. It is not how much is inputted to generate the light.
 

daifo

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Article for people that would want to look at some specific benchmarks for the phytium D2000. The reviewer is a bit too critical though and might have a "bug" in his head when he writes:

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"In the short term, I don’t think D2000 helps China. Its performance is extremely uncompetitive even against desktop chips from a decade ago, to the point that China would be better off dumpster diving for old Intel and AMD chips. Personally I’d hate to be stuck using a D2000 even for everyday web browsing, let alone more demanding use cases like photo and video editing. Grabbing old desktop chips off the used market would cost less while providing a more usable computing experience, and give China better resistance against possible sanctions."


Using a older processor for comparison can help gauge how far development is but it also help project "china backwards" type of racial bias. If one already knows that these chips are low performing, it would be also beneficial to be comparing it against more recent lowly celeron n5095 , i3u , or mediatek p60... processors that you would find in new computers and find still usable for dad 2 day tasks.
 

tokenanalyst

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Article for people that would want to look at some specific benchmarks for the phytium D2000. The reviewer is a bit too critical though and might have a "bug" in his head when he writes:

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"In the short term, I don’t think D2000 helps China. Its performance is extremely uncompetitive even against desktop chips from a decade ago, to the point that China would be better off dumpster diving for old Intel and AMD chips. Personally I’d hate to be stuck using a D2000 even for everyday web browsing, let alone more demanding use cases like photo and video editing. Grabbing old desktop chips off the used market would cost less while providing a more usable computing experience, and give China better resistance against possible sanctions."


Using a older processor for comparison can help gauge how far development is but it also help project "china backwards" type of racial bias. If one already knows that these chips are low performing, it would be also beneficial to be comparing it against more recent lowly celeron n5095 , i3u , or mediatek p60... processors that you would find in new computers and find still usable for dad 2 day tasks.
Well they are comparing apples to oranges, ARM processors are not by themselves very performant, not just this one, but unlike X86-64, ARM and RISC-V are flexible enough to allow the use of coprocessors like VPUs or graphic accelerators to enhance the performance of the SOC or CHIPLET without incorporating more complex circuitry in the processor itself.
So is not impossible that RISC processors could become a good and probably cheaper replacement for X86-64 processors by using a different architectural philosophy of using coprocessors.
 

tokenanalyst

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Foreign direct product rule sanctions on supercomputing & data center. Essentially the US is starting the process of Huawei’ing the country
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Everybody in the semiconductor industry is cutting investment, from the Koreans to Micron to TSMC. So those 52 billion of the chip act is probably going to be wasted. I was probably correct when saying that demand for semiconductors related products (chips, equipment, software, materials and so on) in China is not driven just by consumer demand but also by localization as companies scramble to find suppliers to increase their inventory because news like this one (even if those news do not materialize) and that trend will probably continue for some time with considerable goverment money.
 
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