bro an official acknowledgement of domestic 14nm line in operation?
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I cannot independently confirm what the GT is saying but it won't surprise me if was the case. The Shanghai Semiconductor Equipment and Materials Innovation Center is the collaborative effort of some Chinese SME companies and Institutions, including SMEE and they have been doing a lot of research there.
Bro, Europe is completely out of these games.
The main actors in European semiconductor world (ST, Infineon, NXP, AMS) are mainly focused on automotive / industrial applications, so in MCU and power devices. Although their portfolio is quite wide, this is their core business.
IMO they already know they will loose the Chinese market, but due to decades old strong partnership with Eurpean automotive and industrial companies, they still think to have a comfortable future as long as they are cautious with investments and keep financial books in order...and European automotive industry does not collapse.
Europe does not have hegemonic mentality, nor its people, nor its companies. We just aim at a comfortable and healthy lifewe try to keep ourselves away from troubles....
Now the more importabt question is: how much of this 14nm line is sanction proof?
based on what we saw in the table @Alb provided. N+1 is SMIC's product that is somewhere above 10 nm and slightly below the earliest 7nm. N+2 is China's equivalent of early 5nm and N+2 improved is equivalent to Samsung 4nm.Bro coming from GT then we can surmised that N+3 5nm is on the horizon (@Alb chronological table of SMIC chip development plan is spot on).
N+3/4 are to be done with domestic EUV.
Keep in mind that SMIC has been telling people for a while that the SMSC fab is mass producing 14 nm chips. In fact, Phytium's D2000 chips are produced with SMIC's 14 nm process. They have also said that fab's production is fully booked.
I'm assuming this should be confirmation they have started production of N+1 node. In fact, they better be producing N+1 node right now if they intend to be producing Kirin chips next year, because that would require N+2.
Well they already got the equipment, so the SMSC plant itself should be fine. The road map we saw indicates that de-Americanized line has started mass production of N+1 node already, but who knows.
no, DUV still in ASML... next year, the domestic DUV will have a new development...
Sir my take and I want your opinion if my post make any sense.
N+1 = Samsung 8nm?
N+2 = TSMC 7nm (DUV)? done using NXT 1980i , at that time 2017 when N+2 project was initiated, they use the same machine that TSMC had achieve in its first generation 7nm.
N+2 GAI= Improve 7nm using better tools
N+3 = 5nm Duv? done using NXT 2050i
N+4 = 3nm EUV?
N+5 = 2nm EUV?
I think their chart showed thatSir my take and I want your opinion if my post make any sense.
N+1 = Samsung 8nm?
N+2 = TSMC 7nm (DUV)? done using NXT 1980i , at that time 2017 when N+2 project was initiated, they use the same machine that TSMC had achieve in its first generation 7nm.
N+2 GAI= Improve 7nm using better tools
N+3 = 5nm Duv? done using NXT 2050i
N+4 = 3nm EUV?
N+5 = 2nm EUV?
N+1 -> somewhere between Samsung 8 nm and 7 nm performance
N+2 -> better than TSMC N7P and close to Samsung 4LPE (earliest 4 nm process) performance
N+2 Improved -> close to TSMC N5P performance
N+3 -> using EUV -> close to TSMC N3 (not in production yet)
N+4 -> using EUV -> about TSMC N2 (not in production yet)
So, if they can mass produce N+2 next year and N+2 Improved in 2024, they will be able to produce any chip that Huawei and other Chinese chip designers need.
IF the US and Japan want to restrict China from getting Gallium Oxide, then it's an oxymoron policy cause 95% of world Raw Gallium is supplied by the Chinese...lol
1 day ago — The development of gallium oxide wafers and devices is underway in the US, Japan, Europe, South Korea, Taiwan and China. While the US government ...
China produces more than 95% of the world's raw gallium, a soft, bluish metal used in making chipsets for generating high frequency radio waves in 5G base ...
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1 day ago — The development of gallium oxide wafers and devices is underway in the US, Japan, Europe, South Korea, Taiwan and China. While the US government ...
China produces more than 95% of the world's raw gallium, a soft, bluish metal used in making chipsets for generating high frequency radio waves in 5G base ...
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This is like announcing sanctions on selling oil, titanium and food to Russia...
They might as well ban Panda Express from opening restaurants in China too.
Imagine going to China and eating Panda Express though. Like going to Italy and eating Pizza Hut.
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