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horse

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Okay, I am going out on a limb here, and declare that I believe a good percentage of the people reading this stuff, don't understand this stuff.

The series of posts that tphuang posted today, was simply awesome!

Think of it this way.

There are two types of people who want this stuff.

Who wants this tech? It is businesses OR government institutions and research labs.

Don't worry about the research labs, because they are doing their own thing, building their custom made systems. Also they have those supercomputers, so they are alright.

This NVadia ban, more or less targets Chinese commercial companies. That should be the main target.

So I think, that is what we really have to know.

These posts from tphuang, is telling us how this tech war is being fought. (In that commercial space, commercial battlefield.)

It is exciting!

Look at brother ansy1968, how worked up he gets when talking about a scanner! Wuhoo!

Right on brother!

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ansy1968

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Thanks for doing all that reading and summarizing for us.

What else can we say?

The future is now. Tech decoupling is happening now, and China will do that seamlessly as possible.

Inspur is a big name. That is instant creditably. Aren't they the best company in the world building server racks? If the best server maker in the world wants your chips, then everyone will want your chips.

Also, seems kind of clear what they are doing.

This is an arms race in technology, more specifically in platform technology and AI technology.

All these platforms, is PaaS, SaaS, IaaS, they need servers, and the better the servers will make these PaaS, SaaS, IaaS, better too.

Then layer on top of that the AI, then make the systems operations better still, in terms of efficiency and speed and potential I guess.

(Note, that much of this arms race in technology, is not even against the Americans. The Chinese company is trying to improve themselves in their battles with other Chinese companies.)


So if this is an arms race in platform technology, where now they are going to implement AI to make those platforms better, then we better need the best servers we can find, using chips such as NIvaida chips, Biren chips.

If your platform cannot compete, then you could be toast.

(TikTok itself could be their own platform, but that is another topic for another day.)

Chinese tech is truly cutting edge. Horizontally and vertically integrated.

All that remains is the leading edge fab to be done. All of the other major things needed, seem to be there.

Wow!

:D
Bro from FT because it came from a Chinese correspondent in Beijing, it's more an indicative BUT she need to add some salt to please the taste of her Western masters...lol

She had stated what we already knew BUT its very telling that such BIAS print publication is now allowing some truthfulness regarding its reporting on China...lol Maybe they're receiving some money from American Tech Firm to lobby the US gov't. ;)

You can see it in the way they subtle frame the reporting especially this part:

In the late Nineteen Eighties, the US established a consortium of semiconductor firms pushed by issues that Japan had usurped its dominant place.

The American with DARPA taking the lead establish SEMANTECH, a consortium consisting of ASML, CYMER (later taken over by ASML) TSMC and other American tech company to evaluate and produce an EUVL, this consortium successfully hinder and overcome the dominance of the Japanese IC companies in the 90's. The message is a WARNING that the Chinese is doing the same against the American and They will suffer the same fate. ;)

Success is a product of many Failures as the Chinese are working under extreme adversarial and challenging international situation, only through a whole nation approach and tireless effort we can achieved a desirable result.

US ‘blockade’ set to turbocharge Chinese chip growth​


Fresh restrictions this week on exports of US chip know-how to Chinese firms have provoked an indignant response from Beijing, however past the rhetoric, China is predicted to unleash a brand new wave of funding to spice up home manufacturing of semiconductors.
Washington has been steadily tightening the noose on China’s tech sector, limiting entry to cutting-edge chip parts and equipment. Its newest transfer is to introduce robust licensing necessities which can be prone to block gross sales of high-end processors from US chipmakers Nvidia and AMD, that are utilized in synthetic intelligence methods.
China’s overseas ministry accused the US on Thursday of trying to impose a “technological blockade” on China to take care of its tech “hegemony” and mentioned it was stretching the idea of nationwide safety. The US has mentioned it fears its tech can be tailored for army functions.
Unable to interrupt such a “blockade”, “the restrictions will turbocharge China to find local replacements”, mentioned one senior government at a Chinese chipmaker.

The authorities has already poured huge sums of cash into the chip sector, with state-owned funding funds focusing on chip start-ups that promise to exchange overseas rivals. The largesse has prompted accusations of waste, corruption and mismanagement. Chipmaker Tsinghua Unigroup defaulted on its bonds in 2020 regardless of receiving tens of billions of {dollars} in authorities help.
Analysts imagine a string of high-profile failures won’t deter Beijing in its quest for chip self-sufficiency, as Washington accelerates the encirclement of China’s tech sector with ever-tighter controls.
Putting blocks in place for the provision of cutting-edge chips from Nvidia and AMD comes weeks after the US banned the sale to China of digital design automation (EDA) software program, wanted to design high-end chips. The strikes will hasten Chinese corporations switching to home chipmakers to pre-empt being reduce off from overseas suppliers, wrote Shanghai-based wealth administration agency HWAS Assets in a be aware.

In July, the US congress accepted $52.7bn in grants to construct chip amenities within the US for these firms agreeing to not fund high-end semi manufacturing in China, below the landmark US Chips and Science Act.
Randy Abrams, head of Asia Semiconductors analysis at Credit Suisse, wrote in a be aware that the ban on investing in superior fab manufacturing in China would “further limit access to overseas talent and investment to build up China’s domestic semis industry”.
In the previous, chip factories or “fabs” in China run by Korea’s Samsung, Intel of the US and UMC of Taiwan “have been a good source for China to help build up IP, talent and resources to develop its domestic semis industry”, he mentioned.
Analysts at funding financial institution Jefferies mentioned the most important prospects for Nvidia merchandise that had been successfully banned this week are cloud service suppliers, web and AI firms. They predicted there can be an try to change to native graphics processing unit (GPU) substitutes, however the widespread use of Nvidia’s Cuda “operating system for AI” software program would create incompatibility points.


The senior government mentioned it was solely a matter of time earlier than China developed its personal functioning EDA software program. The US instruments “are incredibly complex and sophisticated, so you can’t replicate them overnight, but with enough money and ingenuity, you can get close,” he mentioned.
Others disagree that China can strike out by itself. Stephen Ezell, a director on the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation in Washington, mentioned China’s efforts to develop a “closed loop semiconductor ecosystem” had failed.
“It is self-defeating for a country in a high-tech industry to try and do everything by itself,” he mentioned.
The devastating influence of Washington’s sanctions on Huawei, which barred the Chinese telecoms behemoth from all chips utilizing US tech in 2020, underscores the interconnected nature of the worldwide chip provide chain. The transfer crippled the corporate’s smartphone enterprise.
The Netherlands has additionally caved in to Washington stress and banned exports of maximum (EUV) lithography gear to China, required to fabricate chips that energy AI and blockchain know-how. “China was not going to be a player once the US got the Netherlands to acquiesce,” mentioned Douglas Fuller, an professional on the Chinese semiconductor business.

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Even because the US efficiently limits China’s entry to overseas chip know-how, business insiders are sceptical about Washington’s skill to close it out utterly from the worldwide provide chain.
One business veteran in Japan mentioned that the final try by Washington to compete with an adversary resulted in failure after political urge for food waned and funds dried up. In the late Nineteen Eighties, the US established a consortium of semiconductor firms pushed by issues that Japan had usurped its dominant place.

“It was reasonably successful for a time, mainly because large companies like Intel supported it heavily. But government funding is fickle and dries up with the change of an administration in Washington,” he mentioned.
“The semiconductor industry is global, and it is difficult to mount an effort to help one country be competitive against its global allies and competitors.”
Additional reporting by Nian Liu in Beijing
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horse

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Bro from FT because it came from a Chinese correspondent in Beijing, it's more an indicative BUT she need to add some salt to please the taste of her Western masters...lol

She had stated what we already know BUT its very telling that such BIAS print publication is now allowing some truthfulness regarding its reporting on China...lol Maybe they're receiving some money from American Tech Firm to lobby the US gov't. ;)

You can see it in the way they subtle frame the reporting especially this part:

In the late Nineteen Eighties, the US established a consortium of semiconductor firms pushed by issues that Japan had usurped its dominant place.

The American with DARPA taking the lead establish SEMANTECH, a consortium consisting of ASML, CYMER (later taken over by ASML) TSMC and other American tech company to evaluate and produce an EUVL, this consortium successfully hinder and overcome the dominance of the Japanese IC companies in the 90's. The message is a WARNING that the Chinese is doing the same against the American and They will suffer the same fate.

US ‘blockade’ set to turbocharge Chinese chip growth​


Fresh restrictions this week on exports of US chip know-how to Chinese firms have provoked an indignant response from Beijing, however past the rhetoric, China is predicted to unleash a brand new wave of funding to spice up home manufacturing of semiconductors.
Washington has been steadily tightening the noose on China’s tech sector, limiting entry to cutting-edge chip parts and equipment. Its newest transfer is to introduce robust licensing necessities which can be prone to block gross sales of high-end processors from US chipmakers Nvidia and AMD, that are utilized in synthetic intelligence methods.
China’s overseas ministry accused the US on Thursday of trying to impose a “technological blockade” on China to take care of its tech “hegemony” and mentioned it was stretching the idea of nationwide safety. The US has mentioned it fears its tech can be tailored for army functions.
Unable to interrupt such a “blockade”, “the restrictions will turbocharge China to find local replacements”, mentioned one senior government at a Chinese chipmaker.

The authorities has already poured huge sums of cash into the chip sector, with state-owned funding funds focusing on chip start-ups that promise to exchange overseas rivals. The largesse has prompted accusations of waste, corruption and mismanagement. Chipmaker Tsinghua Unigroup defaulted on its bonds in 2020 regardless of receiving tens of billions of {dollars} in authorities help.
Analysts imagine a string of high-profile failures won’t deter Beijing in its quest for chip self-sufficiency, as Washington accelerates the encirclement of China’s tech sector with ever-tighter controls.
Putting blocks in place for the provision of cutting-edge chips from Nvidia and AMD comes weeks after the US banned the sale to China of digital design automation (EDA) software program, wanted to design high-end chips. The strikes will hasten Chinese corporations switching to home chipmakers to pre-empt being reduce off from overseas suppliers, wrote Shanghai-based wealth administration agency HWAS Assets in a be aware.

In July, the US congress accepted $52.7bn in grants to construct chip amenities within the US for these firms agreeing to not fund high-end semi manufacturing in China, below the landmark US Chips and Science Act.
Randy Abrams, head of Asia Semiconductors analysis at Credit Suisse, wrote in a be aware that the ban on investing in superior fab manufacturing in China would “further limit access to overseas talent and investment to build up China’s domestic semis industry”.
In the previous, chip factories or “fabs” in China run by Korea’s Samsung, Intel of the US and UMC of Taiwan “have been a good source for China to help build up IP, talent and resources to develop its domestic semis industry”, he mentioned.
Analysts at funding financial institution Jefferies mentioned the most important prospects for Nvidia merchandise that had been successfully banned this week are cloud service suppliers, web and AI firms. They predicted there can be an try to change to native graphics processing unit (GPU) substitutes, however the widespread use of Nvidia’s Cuda “operating system for AI” software program would create incompatibility points.


The senior government mentioned it was solely a matter of time earlier than China developed its personal functioning EDA software program. The US instruments “are incredibly complex and sophisticated, so you can’t replicate them overnight, but with enough money and ingenuity, you can get close,” he mentioned.
Others disagree that China can strike out by itself. Stephen Ezell, a director on the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation in Washington, mentioned China’s efforts to develop a “closed loop semiconductor ecosystem” had failed.
“It is self-defeating for a country in a high-tech industry to try and do everything by itself,” he mentioned.
The devastating influence of Washington’s sanctions on Huawei, which barred the Chinese telecoms behemoth from all chips utilizing US tech in 2020, underscores the interconnected nature of the worldwide chip provide chain. The transfer crippled the corporate’s smartphone enterprise.
The Netherlands has additionally caved in to Washington stress and banned exports of maximum (EUV) lithography gear to China, required to fabricate chips that energy AI and blockchain know-how. “China was not going to be a player once the US got the Netherlands to acquiesce,” mentioned Douglas Fuller, an professional on the Chinese semiconductor business.

Recommended​


Even because the US efficiently limits China’s entry to overseas chip know-how, business insiders are sceptical about Washington’s skill to close it out utterly from the worldwide provide chain.
One business veteran in Japan mentioned that the final try by Washington to compete with an adversary resulted in failure after political urge for food waned and funds dried up. In the late Nineteen Eighties, the US established a consortium of semiconductor firms pushed by issues that Japan had usurped its dominant place.

“It was reasonably successful for a time, mainly because large companies like Intel supported it heavily. But government funding is fickle and dries up with the change of an administration in Washington,” he mentioned.
“The semiconductor industry is global, and it is difficult to mount an effort to help one country be competitive against its global allies and competitors.”
Additional reporting by Nian Liu in Beijing
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It is hard to comment on such articles, brother ansy1968.

Seems that a lot of stuff, they simply do not understand with regards to technology.

Some people quoted seemed to be experts, who chose to spread propaganda.

Then there is the copium sprinkled throughout the article as you noted; they must have been using a large salt shaker to hold that much spice.

The article mentions Huawei, the phones, but not the 5G network.

Sometimes I do believe that the reporter thinks that the people who read the articles they write are plebs. They make it sound like the entire US government war against Huawei was all about the phones. It is like saying war is peace, love is hate, 5G is phones.

:rolleyes::p
 

ansy1968

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It is hard to comment on such articles, brother ansy1968.

Seems that a lot of stuff, they simply do not understand with regards to technology.

Some people quoted seemed to be experts, who chose to spread propaganda.

Then there is the copium sprinkled throughout the article as you noted; they must have been using a large salt shaker to hold that much spice.

The article mentions Huawei, the phones, but not the 5G network.

Sometimes I do believe that the reporter thinks that the people who read the articles they write are plebs. They make it sound like the entire US government war against Huawei was all about the phones. It is like saying war is peace, love is hate, 5G is phones.

:rolleyes::p
HAHAHA I know even her admission of Chinese technical capability have to be frame in a " less threatening" way...lol she have to earn her keep bro and FT have receive some money from the US Tech company to sound the alarm to the American politician of excessive use of restriction. And brother who are their audiences? Its definitely not the Chinese...lol
 

ansy1968

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@horse bro from my favorite newspaper Manila Times, the author is not a salty person cause he know it's bad for one's health...lol

The global risk of weaponization in semiconductors

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On August 9, President
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IN international media, the CHIPS and
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of 2022 is often portrayed as a $52-billion package aiming to boost semiconductor manufacturing in the
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. But the underlying strategic objective is geopolitical.

Today Asia dominates global semiconductor manufacturing. Though a top exporter, the US semiconductor industry no longer controls the supply chains in the global information communication technology (ICT) sector. However, it still accounts for over 80 percent of the world's chip design equipment, 50 percent of intellectual property for chip designs, and half of the globe's chip manufacturing equipment.

To dominate the semiconductors, which also enable advanced military technology, the Biden team seeks to restore the past US superiority in global semiconductors.

The problem is that no single nation can any longer control entire supply chains in the global ICT sector (see Figure 1). Hence, the effort to weaponize the system, to "counter"
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FIGURE 1. REVENUE FOR VALUE CHAIN SEGMENTS (
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Forced to pick sides


Currently, the US, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan supply most of the world's semiconductors, whereas China represents the highest demand in the industry. The Biden administration would like to keep it that way. The geopolitical objective rests on a series of anti-competitive measures.


In order to restore the US' supremacy, the Biden administration seeks to neutralize future rivals. That's the likely reason why Washington is also considering restricting US chipmaking equipment from being exported to Chinese memory chip makers.

Such restrictions are designed to hurt China and its progress in advanced technology. But they would also harm South Korea's Samsung and SK Hynix, which have memory chip operations in China.

Japanese semiconductor rivals were derailed already in the 1980s trade wars.

Unsurprisingly, Chinese critics of the "CHIP-4 alliance" call it a "hongmen banquet," a well-known Chinese expression for a feast that's set up as a trap for the invitees.

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Ambivalent 'allies' divided

At present, six US-headquartered or foreign-owned semiconductor companies have 20 fabrication facilities ("fabs") in America. South Korean Samsung is building a $17 billion fab in Texas, while the Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) is investing $12 billion on a plant in Arizona.

The real costs have already proved far higher than expected, as the senior executives of these chip giants have acknowledged.

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Reportedly, the CHIPS Act would bar recipients of US government funds from expanding or upgrading their advanced chip capacity in China, which has led South Korean firms to review their Chinese operations. Seoul sees itself being sandwiched between Washington and Beijing. If it ignores the Biden administration, it will face challenges in sustaining its technology edge. If it shuns the Xi government, it will turn its back on its most critical market.

That leaves Taiwan.

Hence, the recent Taiwan visit by the US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, which was presented as a moral intervention for freedom and democracy. The realities were somewhat different. For all practical purposes, Pelosi's trip was paved by the Taiwan lobby (Tecro), her generous financial supporter, which also helped to push through the recent $5 billion weapons sales deal to Taiwan (see Figure 2).


Behind the media spectacle, one of Pelosi's critical tasks in Taiwan was a meeting with TSMC's CEO
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, the largest contract chip maker. Reportedly, she said she hoped TSMC would side with the US.

It wasn't just a rhetorical suggestion. Nor was it just about business. It was first and foremost about geopolitics. To complicate things further, Liu knew well the pros and cons of Pelosi's wish and its tacit objective.

In the long term, the US and some of its allies hope to undermine Taiwan's dominance in semiconductors. Effectively, such goals were initiated by the Obama administration, codified by the Trump White House and are now being executed by the Biden team.
 

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continue.....

Weaponizing semiconductors

In the 1980s, US technology giants pressed the Reagan administration to battle the Japanese competitors. By contrast, the Trump and Biden administrations have pushed and are pushing the reluctant US semiconductor giants to fight China.

US-Sino ties soured and bilateral disputes escalated in July 2018, when the Trump administration imposed 25 tariffs on semiconductors imported from China, causing significant damage in the US industry. And as companies like Huawei bypassed US suppliers buying semiconductors from Taiwan and South Korea, the tariffs failed to have the desired effect. That's why the White House is now trying to use an alliance to command the full semiconductor ecosystem.

In early 2021, the Biden administration signaled it planned to move ahead with a Trump administration-proposed rule to "secure" the information technology (IT) supply chains. That allowed the Department of Commerce to monitor the transactions of governments, including those of China. Reportedly, it is part of the effort to weaponize the global IT ecosystem.

The activities of Eric Schmidt, ex-CEO of Google and financier of the Obama, Clinton and Biden campaigns, reflects the new semiconductor geopolitics. Prior to his advisory role in artificial intelligence, Schmidt headed Pentagon's advisory board to link Silicon Valley with the Pentagon. "The US and its allies," Schmidt urged, "should utilize targeted export controls on high-end semiconductor manufacturing equipment... to protect existing technical advantages and slow the advancement of China's semiconductor industry." (See Figure 3)
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Such are the behind-the-façade strategic objectives, which are driving an irresponsible arms race, as international science communities have noted.

"This is a shocking and frightening report that could lead to the proliferation of AI weapons making decisions about who to kill," said Prof
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of The Campaign to Stop Killer Robots. "The most senior AI scientists on the planet have warned them about the consequences, and yet they continue. This will lead to grave violations of international law."

The "Stars Wars" of the Reagan era never materialized. With semiconductor weaponization, the Obama-Trump-Biden AI wars could be only a few years away. In the absence of major opposition, Asia is set to serve as the testing ground.

Undermined supply chains

The semiconductor debacles first intensified with the US-Japan trade wars of the 1980s. Eventually, Japan, heavily dependent on the US military, agreed to "voluntary restrictions" on contested export products, bilateral concessions, sky-high US tariffs, de facto currency revaluation, and structural reforms opening the Japanese market to the US.

As a result, Japan lost its mantle of world leader in microchips. Secular stagnation ensued soon thereafter. This precedent obviously makes executive teams uneasy in both South Korea and Taiwan.

Weaponization of the global semiconductor supply chains by any one country would be disastrous to the ecosystem. It would replace industry competition with geopolitical dicta. It would undermine consumer welfare. And it would derail innovation.

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when the cheap Chinese AI chips start to flood American market. But we are several years away from that. Amazon, Google and Microsoft are going to have no problem putting Chinese AI chips in their data centers as long as the performances are up to par. Nobody wants to keep overpaying Nvidia for monopolistic pricing.
The US government can ban Chinese AI chips in the name of national security like it banned Chinese telecom equipment. The US government does not pay Nvidia and does not care if companies keep overpaying Nvidia for monopolistic pricing as Nvidia is a US company.
 
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