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Jianguo

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ah ha... if you've been following me for 2-3 years, you know that I always support Huawei, I have never posted a single piece of information that is harmful to China and Huawei... only people who don't know me on twitter , they just said I'm anti them bla... bla...
Don't get me wrong and not criticizing in any way. I'm just pointing something out for those who aren't as versed as people watching things closely. There's alot of stupid out there and most people don't have the time or the inclination to go beyond the surface of what is said on the surface. So, simple words that are said enough times over and over and over and over will eventually sink into their brains. Stuff like, Huawei is semi-state owned, Huawei is spying on you, Huawei is evil, China is evil, China is bad, know what I mean? Beyond that, love your stuff. Didn't know you were on Twitter until 2 weeks ago, you are really on the ball regarding China's semicon industry.

I've read alot of the stuff you write about on the Chinese forums. You are pretty fast and sometimes even say things before the rumor mill even mentions it. I'm most curious how you get information about China's domestic 7nm progress. All the rumors on the Chinese forums point to ICRD working on a 7nm process with "mostly" domestic equipment. From my understanding, the main problems are photoresist related. It's not that the process can't be fabbed, it's that the yields are horrible. Last I remember, Guowang was working on a 6kHZ 90W ArF source. Maybe they're having problems with that and those problems are filtering down to the photoresists and yields?
 

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EDA software sales have grown significantly, and BGI Jiutian's (Empyrean EDA) revenue and net profit have both surged in the first half of the year​


Jiwei.com news, on August 25, Huada Jiutian released the 2022 semi-annual report. During the reporting period, the company closely focused on the 2022 annual business goals and actively carried out various tasks. As of June 30, 2022, the operating income was 26,648.76 RMB 10,000, a year-on-year increase of 46.13%, and a net profit attributable to the parent company of RMB 40.4287 million, a year-on-year increase of 105.02%.

Huada Jiutian said that the increase in the company's operating income was mainly due to the substantial increase in EDA software sales in the current period.

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caudaceus

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EDA software sales have grown significantly, and BGI Jiutian's (Empyrean EDA) revenue and net profit have both surged in the first half of the year​


Jiwei.com news, on August 25, Huada Jiutian released the 2022 semi-annual report. During the reporting period, the company closely focused on the 2022 annual business goals and actively carried out various tasks. As of June 30, 2022, the operating income was 26,648.76 RMB 10,000, a year-on-year increase of 46.13%, and a net profit attributable to the parent company of RMB 40.4287 million, a year-on-year increase of 105.02%.

Huada Jiutian said that the increase in the company's operating income was mainly due to the substantial increase in EDA software sales in the current period.

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Lmao Google translate translated 26,648.76万元 into 26,648.76 RMB 10,000
 

Pkp88

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ah ha... if you've been following me for 2-3 years, you know that I always support Huawei, I have never posted a single piece of information that is harmful to China and Huawei... only people who don't know me on twitter , they just said I'm anti them bla... bla...
? This forum is for exchanging information not whatever this is ... of all the threads in this site it's this behavior that makes this thread the most bannable.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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true, but the size of the chip would be a lot bigger
chip size isn't that important for automotive, the die size is ~100 mm2 aka 1 cm x 1 cm. that's very small compared to a car.

what is more important is how robust it is against environmental stress like thermal, vibration, humidity, etc because a car in operation is a hostile environment and not fully environmentally controlled, and it must reach the highest levels of reliability because control chips that stop working when a car is going 100 kph is very bad.
 

ansy1968

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chip size isn't that important for automotive, the die size is ~100 mm2 aka 1 cm x 1 cm. that's very small compared to a car.

what is more important is how robust it is against environmental stress like thermal, vibration, humidity, etc because a car in operation is a hostile environment and not fully environmentally controlled, and it must reach the highest levels of reliability because control chips that stop working when a car is going 100 kph is very bad.
Bro with this we can conclude that Huawei or Hisilicon had become a bonafide Chip Fabricator, it's their second achievement after producing 45nm chips and the latest with the current 14nm.
 

paiemon

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New member here. Been following this thread and impressed with the level of knowledge and expertise in following the developments. I work in regulatory compliance for technology products (not semiconductors, but subject to the same controls) which touches on export control regulations which I know is a hot topic given the developments so I wanted to share my insights on the situation (common in the industry) and how it may impact the semiconductor industry in China.

Export Administration Regulations (EAR) aka export controls are basically regulations from the US Commerce Department that allow them to control the export of selected products that contain US content. US content is basically anything of US origin whether material (e.g. parts, labor, blueprints, code, manuals, etc) or virtual (patents, other IP) that goes into a product. Typically, the controls only kick in when US content is 25% of the product or higher regardless of where it originates from, but they can tighten the screws by going down to 0% which basically means you are screwed if any of the product touched any American or US soil (this will be important later). This is how the US stopped the Dutch/ASML from exporting EUV to China due to the laser being US content from Cymer, and how they forced TSMC to cutoff Huawei due to the presence of US tools in the TSMC production process.

So it may seem latest round of export control tightening if enforced fully will be the final blow to US SME multinationals and Chinese end users since basically those products can't be sold from not only the US, but also their OUS companies or subsidiaries of US companies (LAM Malaysia) if they use US content in their output (hence the Commerce Department letter to LAM Malaysia re the export control changes). However, if a product contains no US content, the US government cannot control its sale by law unless they plan to nationalize the company. These products are referred to as "EAR-free", essentially meaning they are de-americanized and can be sold to whomever and used for whomever you want. Going to zero US content is far from easy though, its not as simple as just offshoring production. It requires offshoring the entire product lifecycle and supply chain such that from start to finish it bypasses America/Americans. In other words, all the patents, labor, blueprints, IP, parts, manuals, code, maintenance, install, etc is done without touching American soil or American hands.

I can't speak to what goes on inside the management of those SME companies, but I can't imagine they would take such a hit lying down and willing accept government restrictions. If they want to keep their leading position in the industry of which the Chinese market is key, they will have to de-americanize their operations to bypass export controls. Otherwise their market share will erode significantly in the next few years. It will be interesting to see how the companies respond based on their future capital spending, geographic allocation and financial projections to these change of events but I can't imagine they haven't prepared for this eventuality. It will be the greatest of ironies if US attempts to reshore the SME industry and cutoff China end up resulting in the SME supply chain offshoring to cut out the US.

Anyways, none of us can predict the future so China will need to continue to work on its SME development to enhance its sufficiency and be in a position of strength. But it would be foolish to close the door to the multinational SMEs if they can bring something to the table outside of US oversight. There is no greater victory then turning your opponent to your side. My 2 cents.
 
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