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The report shows that the top semiconductor equipment manufacturers in the United States all have, are building or invest in a large amount of offshore capacity. Applied Materials (AMAT)'s Singapore factory accounts for about 50% of its total production capacity, and from 2005 to 2020, its overseas factory area increased from 13% to 40%. Lam Semiconductor (Lam) announced in 2020 the construction of its largest factory in Malaysia. KLA has accelerated its overseas layout since 2005. By 2020, the proportion of its overseas factories will increase from 0 to 67%.

Although, according to the United Nations commodity trade statistics, semiconductor equipment exported from the United States, Japan, and the Netherlands still accounts for the vast majority of the world, and has shown an increasing trend in the past five years. However, considering that the export data is relatively delayed relative to the production capacity layout, in the context of the US strengthening unilateral export controls on Chinese semiconductors, the possibility that US semiconductor equipment manufacturers will accelerate the deployment of offshore production cannot be ruled out. In fact, top U.S. equipment makers have all expressed willingness to move production overseas in response to new unilateral export controls.

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I predicted that this would happen, Americans semiconductor companies are moving their manufacturing and R&D overseas to avoid stringent export controls, have my doubts that U.S. and their allies will agree to create a export framework for anything except the cutting edge and much less now the China is becoming REALLY good at making their own equipment, they are planning to expand the development-production of patterning tools and with Japanese companies trying to regain lost market share.


They are still American companies after all, so no reason they would not be subject to the command of the US government. When even non-US companies in their own countries have to comply with US demands, what more can US companies located elsewhere do?
 

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China Orders Government, State Firms to Dump Foreign PCs​

  • Beijing aims to drive foreign PCs out of government, SOEs
  • Campaign could kick out at least 50 million foreign-made PCs
If it is true, then I think it means that someone thinks that the Chinese capacity in office PCs from software to hardware is now so wide that it makes sense. It will also act as subsidy for the components that are maybe uncompetitive at this point (Chinese CPUs vs. Intel/AMD, Chinese desktop OS vs. Windows).

For example this looks like decent machine that probably runs Linux very well:

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Lenovo Selects China-Made Zhaoxin CPU For N7 Ultrabook

But maybe is not competitive with the latest Intel/AMD-based alternative.
 

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technology need talents, US attract alot foreign talent each year , case point most forum member here live oversea or in US. whether US or china gonna succeed or not, it will depend on funding and talents. silicon valley is full of chinese/indian and other foreign engineers. Intel fab in ohio average salary is $135k, consider living cost in ohio, thats pretty good. given the chance many from taiwan/Skorea are willing move to US. especially if US lose its visa cap for talented individual, and pay $$$. intel fab, see how many are actually white american, ill bet most are from taiwan/china/india/SK etc etc. we are not talking about assemble iphone, we are talking about high pay white collar jobs, where US willing to attract them at any cost.
China has 4x the population. The US may get as much immigration as it wants. China already graduates 50k STEM PhDs a year. The US immigrants included produce 37k a year.
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China Orders Government, State Firms to Dump Foreign PCs​

  • Beijing aims to drive foreign PCs out of government, SOEs
  • Campaign could kick out at least 50 million foreign-made PCs
If it is true, then I think it means that someone thinks that the Chinese capacity in office PCs from software to hardware is now so wide that it makes sense. It will also act as subsidy for the components that are maybe uncompetitive at this point (Chinese CPUs vs. Intel/AMD, Chinese desktop OS vs. Windows).

For example this looks like decent machine that probably runs Linux very well:

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Lenovo Selects China-Made Zhaoxin CPU For N7 Ultrabook

But maybe is not competitive with the latest Intel/AMD-based alternative.
I dont think the secretary who is filling records in a database or making a spreadsheet while playing solitary when the boss is not looking needs anything powerful. A\ Loongson, Zhaoxin or an ARM based CPU will do the job. So for probably 90% of the cases Chinese processors will be more than enough. There are some applications like scientific computing or CAE/CAD that may need faster processors or for software compatibility (ANSYS or Autodesk) they still may need to use Intel/AMD processors but that are the minority of the cases.
 

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I dont think the secretary who is filling records in a database or making a spreadsheet while playing solitary when the boss is not looking needs anything powerful. A\ Loongson, Zhaoxin or an ARM based CPU will do the job. So for probably 90% of the cases Chinese processors will be more than enough. There are some applications like scientific computing or CAE/CAD that may need faster processors or for software compatibility (ANSYS or Autodesk) they still may need to use Intel/AMD processors but that are the minority of the cases.

I'm surprised they have not already done it. This is an important step to grow local IT industry, especially software houses. For hardware they already have very good local brands, but still rely on imported IC components: CPU, memory, HD etc.

Regarding Loongson, I don't know if they or their foundry have the needed capacity, I'd guess it would be easier to satisfy the request for CXMT (DRAM) and maybe YMTC (SSD).
 

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I'm surprised they have not already done it. This is an important step to grow local IT industry, especially software houses. For hardware they already have very good local brands, but still rely on imported IC components: CPU, memory, HD etc.

Regarding Loongson, I don't know if they or their foundry have the needed capacity, I'd guess it would be easier to satisfy the request for CXMT (DRAM) and maybe YMTC (SSD).
@european_guy bro it has and this year is a reminder of the final year of compliances, from a FT article dated Dec 8 2019, it said within 3 years the 3-5-2 strategy, 30% 2020, 50% 2021 and finally 20% 2022. So the Chinese will not act until they know they had a replacement available, however weak or low tech , its ours and we can lived and improved upon it. And I'm glad the way the Chinese decide on a policy, It's not emotional based, there is no hysteria or anxious moment , it's meticulous, scientific and more realistic. We don't use the rare earth as a retaliation for example knowing it will only bite us back as most of the raw materials are imported, we are the number 1 processor of rare earth why create a competitor out of thin air?

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Rongda Photosensitive: Semiconductor photoresist is the company's key research and development product, mainly representing customers such as Yangjie Electronics/Sanan Optoelectronics, etc​


Jiwei.com reported recently, Rongda Photosensitive said in an institutional survey that the company's main products are PCB photoresist, flat panel display and semiconductor photoresist, and the main application fields are electronic circuits, flat panel displays, and semiconductors. The company's PCB photosensitive ink is in a leading position in China. Flat panel display and semiconductor photoresist are new products that the company has focused on research and development in recent years. Its market space is huge and its development potential is also great. The main representative customers of the company are Shennan Circuit, Chongda Technology, Jingwang Electronics, Laibao Hi-Tech, Yangjie Electronics, Sanan Optoelectronics, etc.

Rongda Photosensitive said that the photoresist products developed by the company and Japanese technical experts are in good development, and related products have been tested and sold in downstream enterprises.

This year, Rongda Photosensitive plans to invest in products such as photosensitive dry film and liquid photosensitive solder resist ink for IC substrates in the electronic circuit industry; R&D in the flat panel display industry in BM glue, OC glue and other products; in the semiconductor industry R&D in high-resolution i-line positive Resistant photoresist, KrF line (248nm) photoresist and other products.

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Established in 1996, Shenzhen RongDa Photosensitive Science & Technology Co., Ltd. (hereinafter referred to as “Rongda Company”) is a national high-tech enterprise specialized in the production of high-end photosensitive chemical materials. Over the past years, Rongda Company is dedicated to providing to our clients high quality products, assist to improve the quality and control production cost continuously, making great contributions to China printed circuit board industry (“PCB” for short).

The company’s headquarter is located in Shenzhen and production base located in Huizhou, Guangdong Province, occupying nearly 50,000 square meters. There is sale-service center established in Suzhou province, 11,000 square meters. Rongda Company always devotes to researching, developing and applying to PCB printing ink and other photosensitive chemical products. And established reaching &developing center in Shenzhen and Huizhou, so as to meet the high technical requirements of product quality, which arise from PCB industry development. The company focuses on cultivating and developing intellectual property and achieved nearly 20 national invention patents which has been obtained or accepted. To better utilized the powerful external resources, and improve researching and developing capacity ourselves, we are always concentrating on the cooperation with Enterprise-Universities Scientific Research Institutes and established the first national “Photoresist Material Joint Laboratory” together with Beijing Normal University in 2008.
 

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I dont think the secretary who is filling records in a database or making a spreadsheet while playing solitary when the boss is not looking needs anything powerful. A\ Loongson, Zhaoxin or an ARM based CPU will do the job. So for probably 90% of the cases Chinese processors will be more than enough. There are some applications like scientific computing or CAE/CAD that may need faster processors or for software compatibility (ANSYS or Autodesk) they still may need to use Intel/AMD processors but that are the minority of the cases.

The move is about security more than anything else.
 

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China Orders Government, State Firms to Dump Foreign PCs​

  • Beijing aims to drive foreign PCs out of government, SOEs
  • Campaign could kick out at least 50 million foreign-made PCs
If it is true, then I think it means that someone thinks that the Chinese capacity in office PCs from software to hardware is now so wide that it makes sense. It will also act as subsidy for the components that are maybe uncompetitive at this point (Chinese CPUs vs. Intel/AMD, Chinese desktop OS vs. Windows).

For example this looks like decent machine that probably runs Linux very well:

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Lenovo Selects China-Made Zhaoxin CPU For N7 Ultrabook

But maybe is not competitive with the latest Intel/AMD-based alternative.
Lol this is ridiculous. In 2019 they said they would do it in 3 years. Three years later, they say they will do it in 2 years. In two years, I bet it's still not done.
 
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