Chinese semiconductor industry

ougoah said:

2 years or so are reasonable guesses for people who don't actually know the requirements. That includes you. It could be 2 months or 20 years. His opinion is about as valid as yours.

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You more than welcomed to jump into his band wagon but evidences will be soon be surfaced. We will see then.. soon very soon.

TD739 said:

While you casually dismissed this as nonsignificant ,Chen jin was hailed as National Hero according to major chinese paper. Let others decide then..

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Hailed as a national hero when people believed him. Then they figured it out and he was exposed. I don't get what you're trying to insinuate. He's not a national hero but was held as one when people believed the lies. So what though? That's my question to you. What are you trying to say. Stop being Indian about verbal bs, just say what you want to say so we can have a more worthwhile discussion. Is it that he wasted a lot of government time and resources? You hinted at that but you failed to prove it outside of a how a journalist decided to portray it for drama.

TD739 said:

You more than welcomed to jump into his band wagon but evidences will be soon be surfaced. We will see then.. soon very soon.

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Indeed we'll see but I'm not on anyone's bandwagon. Personally I think this challenge in one area of semiconductors with relatively selective application is perhaps the easiest struggle China has had to deal with. EUV is but one solution to make commercially competitive chips of a narrow spectrum. So even at the absolute worst, China loses its edge in commercial computing and smartphone products being exported. It's not ideal but far from terrible either. Even then I really doubt that would happen considering China's domestic market.

ougoah said:

Hailed as a national hero when people believed him. Then they figured it out and he was exposed. I don't get what you're trying to insinuate. He's not a national hero but was held as one when people believed the lies. So what though? That's my question to you. What are you trying to say. Stop being Indian about verbal bs, just say what you want to say so we can have a more worthwhile discussion. Is it that he wasted a lot of government time and resources? You hinted at that but you failed to prove it outside of a how a journalist decided to portray it for drama.

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I based my evaluation on couple common senses

1) national scandal will have backlash
2)trust is not easily rebuilt once broken.


Prove to me that this is insignificant and has no impact whatsoever then.

Now it's your turn

TD739 said:

I based my evaluation on couple common senses

1) national scandal will have backlash
2)trust is not easily rebuilt once broken.


Prove to me that this is insignificant and has no impact whatsoever then.

Now it's your turn

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I didn't make the claim this is significant. I'm doubting your original claim that it is. Therefore it is up to you to prove your original point - its significance. So no, it's always been your turn to prove it. I responded because I was looking for you to elaborate further and hopefully provide some insight but it was all hollow newspaper clipping links. From 2006 as well errgh.

What happen over 15 years ago has little bearing on Chinese priorities today in middle of tech trade war.

Cherry picking obsolete events from a long time ago from a single sample, then making a conclusion is disingenuous at best, and trolling at worst.

You know, I'm starting to get the sneaking suspicion that this is yet another one of the "personalities" of a certain mentally-ill banned user.

ougoah said:

I didn't make the claim this is significant. I'm doubting your original claim that it is. Therefore it is up to you to prove your original point - its significance. So no, it's always been your turn to prove it. I responded because I was looking for you to elaborate further and hopefully provide some insight but it was all hollow newspaper clipping links. From 2006 as well errgh.

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So you also asserting your claim as insignificant. You did make an assertion

Phead128 said:

What happen over 15 years ago has little bearing on Chinese priorities today in middle of tech trade war.

Cherry picking obsolete events from a long time ago from a single sample, then making a conclusion is disingenuous at best, and trolling at worst.

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Back then China was not under the microscope and pressure. It was supposedly the golden age of development.

TD739 said:

So you also asserting your claim as insignificant. You did make an assertion

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Ergh I'm tired of this. Whatever let's leave this then. Let's wind things back a bit. This guy was a trickster who got his position at SJTU based almost entirely on his swindling of the university and government officials. However, he was caught very quickly and all the right things were done by Chinese gov and SJTU. The whole thing was even made rather public probably in an effort to look more accountable. So on the whole, meh. I don't see what the big deal over this issue is and you are hiding it like this 2006 speck of news is some holy grail.

Can you please explain clearly what you actually mean with your own words? Is it one of the below??

1. China wasted big money on him
2. China wasted big time on him
3. Other - please elaborate.

TD739 said:

Back then China was not under the microscope and pressure. It was the golden age of development.

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The only worthwhile point being raised is the presence of this kind of fraud and the potentially "reputable" people who commit them. It's actually rather comforting to know that Chinese systems in academia and government discovered the fraud in that case and made it known and the people/person accountable.

As for the other point of this character wasting time and money? That's never been something I've denied. Whether you choose to believe his efforts represent the entirety of Chinese efforts in DSP work back over a decade ago or not is up to you and if you want us to believe that, then please prove it with numbers. I'm sure that's difficult if not impossible so please at the very least, don't assume we all bandwagon with you on that one.

Interesting to ask now though, does China have actual domestic DSPs now?