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Tam

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Any idea if x86 is a dead end for China? Will intel pull the plug on mass adoption? I am waiting for the day that China to at least get a "chrome os" level of device for the masses. Seems like most Chinese CPU is targeted for gov, uni/research, some business or hobbyist.

X86 is a dead end for the whole world for RT and IOT applications.

But still alive for laptops. But any ChromeOS like device can use ARM or RISC-V or Loongson-MIPS processor, with a Linux distro for OS. Lenovo has both Loongson-MIPS and Zhaoxin-X86 notebooks.

Rockchip ARM based CPUs, which are made in China, have been used as CPUs with Chromebooks. There are also has been other ARM based Chromebooks, so I see why not, you can do some Chinese Linux distro notebook using an ARM or RISC-V or MIPS (Loongson or Godson) chip.

Example like this.

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free_6ix9ine

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X86 is a dead end for the whole world for RT and IOT applications.

But still alive for laptops. But any ChromeOS like device can use ARM or RISC-V or Loongson-MIPS processor, with a Linux distro for OS. Lenovo has both Loongson-MIPS and Zhaoxin-X86 notebooks.

Rockchip ARM based CPUs, which are made in China, have been used as CPUs with Chromebooks. There are also has been other ARM based Chromebooks, so I see why not, you can do some Chinese Linux distro notebook using an ARM or RISC-V or MIPS (Loongson or Godson) chip.

Example like this.

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No point going down the X86 rabbit hole. It's old, outdated and power hungry. Risc-v is the way to go for laptops. Run a Linux OS on risc-V laptop.
 

emblem21

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Hard to get any clarity about this supposedly change in mind. But banning chip sales to Huawei's mobile business creates the biggest collateral damages to global tech industry while also hitting Huawei the hardest from a revenue standpoint. The ban does not hurt Huawei's 5G business immediately because of the chip stockpile, and won't for some time.

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The US is allowing a growing number of chip companies to supply Huawei with components as long as these are not used for its 5G business, people briefed by Washington said, in a potential lifeline for the Chinese group.

Analysts believe this could mean that tough US sanctions this year against China’s leading technology group could be less threatening to its overall business than previously thought. While the sanctions would still pose a grave challenge to Huawei’s 5G business, the company’s important smartphone arm might have a chance to recover.

The US Department of Commerce “has been telling companies in recent conversations that while licences to supply Huawei are handled with a view to denial, this can be overcome if you can demonstrate that your technology does not support 5G”, said a semiconductor executive involved in dialogue with the department, referring to the cutting-edge telecoms infrastructure.

Executives at two Asian semiconductor companies said they were optimistic that their applications for licences to resume shipments to Huawei would be approved. “It has been indicated to us that chips for mobile devices are not a problem,” said one of them.

Washington barred companies worldwide from manufacturing for or selling to the Chinese group components that used US technology, under rules imposed in May and then tightened in August. Given the central role of US technology in the global semiconductor industry, the sanctions threatened to choke off Huawei’s access to chips.

But recently Washington has appeared more willing to permit companies to supply Huawei with components for non-5G uses. The display unit of South Korea’s Samsung Electronics said on Tuesday that it had received a US licence for shipping organic light-emitting diodes, or OLED displays, for handsets to Huawei.

“We believe this is a strong indication the US intends to allow Huawei to stay in the handset business, since, as we have argued, it does not present an obvious national security threat to the US,” wrote Edison Lee, an analyst at Jefferies, in a research note.

Mr Lee said Japan’s Sony and Chinese-owned OmniVision, headquartered in California, had also been granted licences to supply Huawei with CMOS image sensors — chips used in smartphone cameras.

OmniVision did not respond to a request for comment.

At an earnings briefing on Wednesday, Sony declined to comment on whether it had been granted a licence to resume selling its image sensors for use in Huawei smartphones.

Sony was forced to cut its full-year profit guidance for its image sensor business by 38 per cent after halting its sales to Huawei from September 15.

The US government, which has argued for more than a decade that Huawei’s telecoms infrastructure equipment could pose a security threat, originally put the Chinese company on a list of entities subject to export controls last year.

In the year that followed, more than 300 companies applied for licences to allow them to continue doing business with Huawei, of which about one-third were granted. US chip companies Intel and AMD were among those that received a licence. Intel has continued to supply Huawei with processors for servers in its cloud computing business.

After a second wave of sanctions was announced in May, Huawei started stockpiling the chips needed to power its telecoms networking gear, such as base stations. Its telecoms infrastructure unit, which builds and manages mobile networks for carriers from China Mobile to Deutsche Telekom, has enough inventory for about two years, according to industry executives.

But Huawei’s consumer business, which accounts for more than half of its revenue, was harder hit. The tougher US restrictions announced in August not only block contract chipmakers from manufacturing the latest smartphone processor designed by Huawei in-house, but also bar vendors such as Taiwan’s MediaTek from selling it off-the-shelf chipsets.

Jefferies’ Mr Lee said if Washington was willing to allow Huawei’s smartphone business to survive, both US chip company Qualcomm and MediaTek could receive licences later this year to resume sales of certain chips needed for smartphones to Huawei.

However, industry experts caution against too high expectations on the matter, pointing to what they say are the Trump administration’s erratic policy decisions.
Too late, the USA has acted in such bad faith that this sort of kind gesture means nothing but the USA admitting there there idiot actions will cripple all of there chip making firms. Sure this will help in the short term for the USA but when China catch’s up (and they will due to everything the USA has done) expect China to phase out all of these USA companies without mercy when they are of no use isn’t he future. Trump has exposed to the world that the USA is an evil and two faced nation that no one is going to want to trust whatever businesses they want to make. Any other nations will want to diversify away from the USA so that they can’t do stupid shit like this again. The USA cannot expect to make up and go back to the way things are before without suffering and currently while the people are suffering from there actions, the government hasn’t suffered nearly enough. Hence this oncoming election crisis must be bad enough that no nation will ever look at the USA as a trusted potential business partner ever again. Sorry if this is a little harsh, but this wish wishy washy bullshit must end. Just because the USA cannot beat China conventionally and is trying unconventionally and is still failing, doesn’t mean they can raise a white flag and expect a kind treatment, they should be executed via death from a thousand cuts, preferably to the dick to make if hurt more (I mean the USA keeps doing these dick moves, they total deserve one in return)
 

Xizor

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yeah F them. We are not going to beg. We gonna decievely master this technology and then china can take revenge by destroying TSMC using a ballistic missile and retake Taiwan since we don't need them anymore. Let's finish the job. No half measures here.
You are losing your chill.
China won't Ballistic Missile TSMC. And China won't "retake" Taiwan. Simply because ultimately Taiwanese must change in their perception to China. (i' d like to discuss that more but the main topic of this thread is semiconductors).

The recent acquisition of x86 technology would be used to supply chips to the enterprise and non consumer market. A lot of sensitive industrial applications are run on windows. I'm presuming that x86 licenses would become handy in upgrading the processing capacity of the computers running these applications.
x86 is complex and there isn't much going for it. ARM promises better goods for lower power consumption.

China has to develop an entirely new ISA or go with RISC-V.
 

localizer

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You are losing your chill.
China won't Ballistic Missile TSMC. And China won't "retake" Taiwan. Simply because ultimately Taiwanese must change in their perception to China. (i' d like to discuss that more but the main topic of this thread is semiconductors).

The recent acquisition of x86 technology would be used to supply chips to the enterprise and non consumer market. A lot of sensitive industrial applications are run on windows. I'm presuming that x86 licenses would become handy in upgrading the processing capacity of the computers running these applications.
x86 is complex and there isn't much going for it. ARM promises better goods for lower power consumption.

China has to develop an entirely new ISA or go with RISC-V.



Gotta deal with the physics of lithography first. Once China figures that shit out, China will have successfully escaped the middle income trap.

So far the emerging markets have been riding on the coattails of the 1st world. Software was the go to.
 
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