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There's a lot of derision here on Intel and how they are going down and will never recover which I think is misplaced.
Intel just announced a 20 billion fab in Ohio and has 100% backing of the US to beat TSMC. From assisting them with cheap loans to leaking Asian fab secrets to them , the US government is determined to see Intel, beat TSMC. We are now even seeing them get priority shipment for the latest ASML lithos.
Intel might have many Indians working there but do not underestimate them.

Again I don't hear people saying Microsoft, Google and very many other fortune 500 tech companies headed by Indians are going down. They are infact thriving.
You seem to be overestimating Intel's political pull. They do not have that much support of their government as much as Intel would like others to think.
 

gelgoog

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Intel and Micron are the only semiconductor manufacturers of relevance left in the US. You can bet they have more government support than your average company would have. Remember what happened when Chinese companies tried to buy Micron several years back.
 

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Can China create a world-beating AI industry?​

Don’t hold your breath​

“South of the Huai river few geese can be seen through the rain and snow.” In classical Chinese this verse is a breakthrough—not in literature but in computing power. The line, composed by an artificial intelligence (ai) language model called Wu Dao 2.0, is indistinguishable in metre and tone from ancient poetry. The lab that built the software, the Beijing Academy of Artificial Intelligence (baai), challenges visitors to its website to distinguish between Wu Dao and flesh-and-blood 8th-century masters. Anecdotal evidence suggests that it fools most testers.

The system, whose name means “enlightenment” and which can emulate lowlier types of speech, derives its power from a neural network with 1.75trn variables and other inputs. gpt-3, a similar model built a year earlier by a team of researchers in San Francisco and deemed impressive at the time, considered just 175bn parameters. As such Wu Dao represents a leap in this type of machine learning, which tries to emulate the workings of the human brain. That delights fans of classical literature—but not as much as it does the Communist authorities in Beijing, which have put ai at the heart of China’s technological and economic master plan first set out in 2017. It spooks Western governments, which worry about ai’s less benign applications in areas like surveillance and warfighting. And it intrigues investors, who spy a huge business opportunity.

On the face of it, the plan is off to a good start. The logistics arm of jd.com, an e-commerce group, operates one of the world’s most advanced automated warehouses near Shanghai. In May Baidu, China’s search giant, launched driverless taxis in Beijing. SenseTime’s “smart city” ai models—urban surveillance cameras that track everything from traffic accidents to illegally parked cars—have been deployed in more than 100 cities in China and overseas. China has been deploying more ai-assisted industrial robots than any other country. And in 2020 it surpassed America in terms of journal citations in the field.

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FairAndUnbiased

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There's a lot of derision here on Intel and how they are going down and will never recover which I think is misplaced.
Intel just announced a 20 billion fab in Ohio and has 100% backing of the US to beat TSMC. From assisting them with cheap loans to leaking Asian fab secrets to them , the US government is determined to see Intel, beat TSMC. We are now even seeing them get priority shipment for the latest ASML lithos.
Intel might have many Indians working there but do not underestimate them.

Again I don't hear people saying Microsoft, Google and very many other fortune 500 tech companies headed by Indians are going down. They are infact thriving.
Then it's just destruction of value as bad as the housing bubble, $100 billion CA high speed rail that isn't going to be complete for 30 years, $300 million Hyperloop test center in West Virginia, $10 million spent for solar roadways that degrade 90% in a few years, etc. Every waste of money is another dollar stolen from education, real research, poverty alleviation, etc.

They're going the full Si valley and Cold War route: throwing money at a problem until the competitors run out, then become a monopoly. But if the competitors simply refuse to die then they lose everything. That's all you need to do to win: just refuse to die, prevent lashouts and they'll collapse on their own. Russians didn't recognize that, and failed.
 

GodRektsNoobs

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Can China create a world-beating AI industry?​

Don’t hold your breath​

“South of the Huai river few geese can be seen through the rain and snow.” In classical Chinese this verse is a breakthrough—not in literature but in computing power. The line, composed by an artificial intelligence (ai) language model called Wu Dao 2.0, is indistinguishable in metre and tone from ancient poetry. The lab that built the software, the Beijing Academy of Artificial Intelligence (baai), challenges visitors to its website to distinguish between Wu Dao and flesh-and-blood 8th-century masters. Anecdotal evidence suggests that it fools most testers.

The system, whose name means “enlightenment” and which can emulate lowlier types of speech, derives its power from a neural network with 1.75trn variables and other inputs. gpt-3, a similar model built a year earlier by a team of researchers in San Francisco and deemed impressive at the time, considered just 175bn parameters. As such Wu Dao represents a leap in this type of machine learning, which tries to emulate the workings of the human brain. That delights fans of classical literature—but not as much as it does the Communist authorities in Beijing, which have put ai at the heart of China’s technological and economic master plan first set out in 2017. It spooks Western governments, which worry about ai’s less benign applications in areas like surveillance and warfighting. And it intrigues investors, who spy a huge business opportunity.

On the face of it, the plan is off to a good start. The logistics arm of jd.com, an e-commerce group, operates one of the world’s most advanced automated warehouses near Shanghai. In May Baidu, China’s search giant, launched driverless taxis in Beijing. SenseTime’s “smart city” ai models—urban surveillance cameras that track everything from traffic accidents to illegally parked cars—have been deployed in more than 100 cities in China and overseas. China has been deploying more ai-assisted industrial robots than any other country. And in 2020 it surpassed America in terms of journal citations in the field.

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Th article sounds like casual racism mixed with classic "China gonna collapse" tropes. Reminiscent of "China did the right thing, but at what cost!!!!" articles.
 

AssassinsMace

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Can China create a world-beating AI industry?​

Don’t hold your breath​

“South of the Huai river few geese can be seen through the rain and snow.” In classical Chinese this verse is a breakthrough—not in literature but in computing power. The line, composed by an artificial intelligence (ai) language model called Wu Dao 2.0, is indistinguishable in metre and tone from ancient poetry. The lab that built the software, the Beijing Academy of Artificial Intelligence (baai), challenges visitors to its website to distinguish between Wu Dao and flesh-and-blood 8th-century masters. Anecdotal evidence suggests that it fools most testers.

The system, whose name means “enlightenment” and which can emulate lowlier types of speech, derives its power from a neural network with 1.75trn variables and other inputs. gpt-3, a similar model built a year earlier by a team of researchers in San Francisco and deemed impressive at the time, considered just 175bn parameters. As such Wu Dao represents a leap in this type of machine learning, which tries to emulate the workings of the human brain. That delights fans of classical literature—but not as much as it does the Communist authorities in Beijing, which have put ai at the heart of China’s technological and economic master plan first set out in 2017. It spooks Western governments, which worry about ai’s less benign applications in areas like surveillance and warfighting. And it intrigues investors, who spy a huge business opportunity.

On the face of it, the plan is off to a good start. The logistics arm of jd.com, an e-commerce group, operates one of the world’s most advanced automated warehouses near Shanghai. In May Baidu, China’s search giant, launched driverless taxis in Beijing. SenseTime’s “smart city” ai models—urban surveillance cameras that track everything from traffic accidents to illegally parked cars—have been deployed in more than 100 cities in China and overseas. China has been deploying more ai-assisted industrial robots than any other country. And in 2020 it surpassed America in terms of journal citations in the field.

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The Economist... Need to say anything further...?
 

dfrtyhgj

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There's a lot of derision here on Intel and how they are going down and will never recover which I think is misplaced.
Intel just announced a 20 billion fab in Ohio and has 100% backing of the US to beat TSMC.
That's just Intel wasting US taxpayer money. Easy to do. I can do it too, just give that $20 billion taxpayer dollar to me. I too can bring over another 10 million Indians to the US. :)
 

Bob Smith

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Can China create a world-beating AI industry?​

Don’t hold your breath​

“South of the Huai river few geese can be seen through the rain and snow.” In classical Chinese this verse is a breakthrough—not in literature but in computing power. The line, composed by an artificial intelligence (ai) language model called Wu Dao 2.0, is indistinguishable in metre and tone from ancient poetry. The lab that built the software, the Beijing Academy of Artificial Intelligence (baai), challenges visitors to its website to distinguish between Wu Dao and flesh-and-blood 8th-century masters. Anecdotal evidence suggests that it fools most testers.

The system, whose name means “enlightenment” and which can emulate lowlier types of speech, derives its power from a neural network with 1.75trn variables and other inputs. gpt-3, a similar model built a year earlier by a team of researchers in San Francisco and deemed impressive at the time, considered just 175bn parameters. As such Wu Dao represents a leap in this type of machine learning, which tries to emulate the workings of the human brain. That delights fans of classical literature—but not as much as it does the Communist authorities in Beijing, which have put ai at the heart of China’s technological and economic master plan first set out in 2017. It spooks Western governments, which worry about ai’s less benign applications in areas like surveillance and warfighting. And it intrigues investors, who spy a huge business opportunity.

On the face of it, the plan is off to a good start. The logistics arm of jd.com, an e-commerce group, operates one of the world’s most advanced automated warehouses near Shanghai. In May Baidu, China’s search giant, launched driverless taxis in Beijing. SenseTime’s “smart city” ai models—urban surveillance cameras that track everything from traffic accidents to illegally parked cars—have been deployed in more than 100 cities in China and overseas. China has been deploying more ai-assisted industrial robots than any other country. And in 2020 it surpassed America in terms of journal citations in the field.

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The article includes this: "It ranks below India, and well below America, in the number of skilled ai coders relative to its population. These shortcomings are likely to persist, for three reasons."

I'm really curious where the source for India having more skilled ai coders than China comes from. Article looks like typical China bashing copium overflowing in The Economist.
 

BlackWindMnt

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The article includes this: "It ranks below India, and well below America, in the number of skilled ai coders relative to its population. These shortcomings are likely to persist, for three reasons."

I'm really curious where the source for India having more skilled ai coders than China comes from. Article looks like typical China bashing copium overflowing in The Economist.
Who cares about the" skilled AI coder relative to its population" that's a metric China and India will always lose. Probably why they are using the metric.

What's more interesting is how many skilled AI coders China has in total compared too say the US. If China has 3000 and the US 1200 then I would know it if I was a betting man I would place my money on China.
 

GodRektsNoobs

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The article includes this: "It ranks below India, and well below America, in the number of skilled ai coders relative to its population. These shortcomings are likely to persist, for three reasons."

I'm really curious where the source for India having more skilled ai coders than China comes from. Article looks like typical China bashing copium overflowing in The Economist.
I wonder if the Economist added the $9 per hour 737 Max interns into that metric. If not, then they should! Jai hind!
 
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